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Originally Posted by SKILMATIC

So then you are telling me that a bigger turbo produces less power? Please tell me is that what you are saying?...

Again, I'm saying the 2jz-gte oem twins can't push 40psi and they can't push enough air to produce 650rwhp either. That seems pretty clear to the others on this thread - why can't you seem to grasp that?

Originally Posted by SKILMATIC

...And you know this how? Please submit a link for me where it says that the ct26 is rendered useless at 20psi. You do this I will shut up. I promise...

There is no such link. The TWO oem twins TOGETHER push 20psi just fine. Hell, you *might* even get one of the 2jz-gte's oem turbos to push 19 or 20psi on a 2jz-gte. But there's no way in the world that those two oem 2jz-gte twins will ever push 40psi. It just can't be done.

Originally Posted by SKILMATIC

...I think it was yo mamas. haha And likewise...

Seriously dude, you said "Remember a turbo mixes exhaust gases into the ambient air form the intake charge. So oxygen isnt a problem...". If that was anything but a joke, you really do have NO idea how turbochargers work.

Originally Posted by SKILMATIC

...Umm you said boost isnt an additive. Which didnt mean what you just said. You should have said that the boost levels that each turbo puts out isnt a sum of each other. Which they are because they are sequential. As a mkiv owner you should know this...

Airflow is additive. Boost level is not. YOU need to get that straight.

Originally Posted by SKILMATIC

...Now conventional twin turbos such as on v8's or v6's arent sequential rendering the boost output the same as one turbos boost level. I think you are a little confused in this area...

Again, you're completely off base. Whether you run twin turbos conventional or sequential, they're both running together at the high end in both systems. It's also very easy to convert the Mkiv Supra's sequential system into a full-time parallel (TTC=true twin conversion http://www.mkiv.com/techarticles/ttc/ttc.htm) ... if you perform this conversion, the 'conventional' twin turbos and the Mkiv's twin turbos operate identically... and you STILL won't make 40psi of boost.

Originally Posted by SKILMATIC

...I already have which is why I know. I wanted to know because a friend of mine wasnt sure if his ct26's were able to withstand more boost via his boost controller. So we called and talked to a technician. Which is why I told you to call them...

Give me the """"technician"""s contact info. I'll be happy to educate him as well.

Originally Posted by SKILMATIC

...Hey if the dealer is on my side along with a 20yr career technician for toyota then I have no problems haha...

Unfortunately, many Toyota techs know little or nothing about the Supra. It's such a rare car that dealers' mechanics know very little about them. After you've worked on 10,000 Camry's and 20,000 4-runners, who can remember the ins and outs of the one or two Mkiv Supras a year that they might work on? How many dealers are there nationwide? ...and how many Mkiv Supra TT's were imported into the US between '93 and '98? ...and how many of those Mkiv Supra TT owners NEVER take their Mkiv Supras to Toyota techs because they have no idea how to work on them? You do the math...

Originally Posted by SKILMATIC

...But the again you are probably a master tech for toyota and claim to own 2 mkiv's and a toyota team with lots of buddies who idolize you. Sounds about right?...

Actually no. Fwiw, I'm just another guy that has studied up on the car that he owns, and tries to help fellow Supra owners.

Originally Posted by SKILMATIC

...Ok then I never said bigger valves why would you just add that in there? That doesnt make any sense...

It's simply an example of something you might do, in the extreme, if you were trying to get the 2jz-gte head to flow a bit more with the stock twins. If you want to eliminate that from the equation, then no problem. Go ahead. Use oem-sized valves. You still won't make 40psi or 650rwhp.

Originally Posted by SKILMATIC

...Its not. Again let em use the example of the evo. A 2.0l with a single turbo @ 19psi puts out around 280hp. The 2jz which has a larger displacement and bigger turbo not to mention 2 of them can easily achieve a 600 benchmark...

NO IT CAN'T! Lots of very skilled people have tried and it won't push more than 500rwhp. If the hard work of literally hundreds of Mkiv Supra owners and shops won't convince you, then buy a Supra and prove it! Until then, you're leading guys like Evilfurby down the garden path with misinformation to grandiose unrealistic expectations.

Originally Posted by SKILMATIC

...I would also appreciate it if you could also submit a link for your rhetoric as well...

What link? You're the one that is trying to tell Evilfurby and everyone else here that a 97 Mkiv TT Supra can make 650hp with the stock twins and a stock shortblock. How can I send you a link to something that doesn't exist? It's never been done! Not even close. It's like you asking me to post a link to the dna code for a six headed unicorn. Sorry bub, I just can't 'cause there ain't no such thang. The burden of proof is on you to prove that 650rwhp on 2jz-gte oem twins only and oem shortblock is possible, as you claim.



There is a somewhat-related link that is somewhat relevant, but unfortunately it's down at the moment. When it was up it showed the very best-ever dyno runs for bpu++++ Mkiv Supras with the stock twins ...all in the high 400's rwhp range:

http://www.moreboost.org/turbo_detail.htm

...and there are many other forums and mailing lists out there dedicated to the Mkiv Supra. Why not join them and learn something? PM me if you'd like the links to them (I'm not sure if this forum allows links to competing forums or not).

Originally Posted by SKILMATIC

...If you dont agree with someone then prove your point and do so in a mature and formidable fashion. Is that too much to ask?...

I've repeatedly proven my point, and you keep trying to BS your way out of it. Back off and admit you're in over your head.

Originally Posted by SKILMATIC

...O I can read perfectly fine. Its when people post things that dont make sense is when I have trouble reading. So youre saying 20 psi from a single ct26 isnt possible?...

Get this through your head. I never said 20psi is impossible from either a single one or a pair of the oem 2jz-gte twins. I said 40psi is impossible from the oem twins. I also said 650rwhp is impossible using the oem twins alone. Why are you being so pig-headed about that?

Originally Posted by SKILMATIC

...Can we please have a meaningful discussion about this...

I've done nothing other than provide hard data about why what you're saying is completely wrong. If you were even close to on-base I'd love to try to find some sort of middle ground where we could agree...but 650rwhp on oem 2jz-gte twins and an oem shortblock? ...give me a break.

Originally Posted by SKILMATIC

...Please choose wisely.

Lol. Intentionally posting misinformation is a serious offense on most forums. If you don't have any idea how to answer a question, I'd advise you to stay off the thread.