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Originally Posted by SKILMATIC

Likewise, yes they are independant of each other however, it still mixes the gases together. Hx gases as you should know are much better combustibles than o2. Therefore engineers know this which is why a FI system is used to do this...

Omg this is getting good. No, exhaust gas does NOT make a better combustible than O2. You need O2 for the fuel to burn!

Originally Posted by SKILMATIC

...Now granted the hot side doesnt thrust that exhaust gas back into the intake charge cause as we all know that would be fatal to the engine. However, with the help of the EGR and the turbo and a wbo2 the sane amount of mixed gases enter the intake...

No they don't! Again, read the information at the 'howstuffworks' link! Either the newbie information at that link is beyond your capability to comprehend, or you're spreading more BS to try to cover your ass here. Which is it?

A turbo is a simple device. The exhaust spins one side, which powers the simple air compressessor for the intake side. That's it!!!

Originally Posted by SKILMATIC

...Why do you think when you install a turbo on any car your intake charge temp increases? If the 2 are completely dissasociated form each other then your intake temp should remain the same but this is not true. The increase in temp is generated form the mixed gases coming from your exhaust. Maybe you shoudl read your own link a little better...

WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG. The intake charge temp increases because of air friction with the compressor wheel spinning at 100K+ rpms. Give it up dude.

Originally Posted by SKILMATIC

...Now lets do the math on this one more time because I fear that you have missed this lesson. Now a PW-100 generates 41,000pds of thrust. If you have 4 of them you multiply 4x41000=164,000pds of thrust not 328,000. I have no idea where you are getting that number. When it comes to this analyzation they are congruent to each other...

Of course it does. And I'll say it slower this time so even you can understand. If you try to push a PW-100 PAST it's efficiency point by feeding it twice the amount of fuel, and spinning it twice as fast, it won't produce twice the amount of thrust. I'm using your analogy to show you why spinning the mkiv's oem twins twice as fast won't produce 40psi of boost like you said they could. This is almost funny...you've been proven completly wrong and you don't even realize it. I guess I'll have to explain things to you much more simply next time, using only very small words.

Originally Posted by SKILMATIC

...Thats fair enough. However, I wouldn't go too far as to say I am delusional. Maybe optimistic is the key term here...

No, delusional fits MUCH better. The current record is just slightly over 500rwhp. 525rwhp would be "optimistic". 650rwhp represents breaking the current record by over 25%! To put this in perspective, this would be the same as you claiming you could sprint the 100m dash in 7.5 seconds. It's a d@mn joke...and you're CLEARLY, at the very least, partly delusional.

Originally Posted by SKILMATIC

...It is apparent to me that you dont know how to have a mature formidable discussion without letting your temper tantrums come into play. Maybe when one grows up and establishes an intellectual normality to have a proper discussion we can have a meaningful diatribe. Until then, better luck next time...

This has nothing to do with temper...it has to do with your refusal to acknowledge when you're wrong...and you've been proven wrong on three major points to anyone that has read this thread carefully.

Originally Posted by SKILMATIC

...Now what does this have to do with cam tuning? I mentioned nothing of angle cut valves other than I asked you in an earlier post what kind of machine did you use and you have yet to answer me. I beleive in my last post to this matter I was discussing cams. Was I not? ...

You said "You can get the most power from cam tuning. If you can get a cam that is specifically designed for boost which means the longest duration possible...", so therefore YOU brought up the question of cam durations and cam tuning. In response I said, and I say again, no matter how you tune your cam and no matter which cam you use, you won't get 650rwhp out of a stock 2jz-gte and it's oem twins alone. Get it????

Originally Posted by SKILMATIC

...Show me where I have placed any conditions on what I originally said? I beleive I said you COULD get 640whp out of the stock twins. Show me where I said word for word "you could do this or that with such and such?" I beleive if you look back in my earlier posts you will not find one thing where I said this can happen with any boundaries. Now I have put some comment on how this COULD be attainable but I never maped out any boundaries on what I said. I would appreciate it if you would admit you are wrong there too...

I know you're trying to wiggle out of this one but you can't. Right here is where the conditions were firmed up and agreed to, YOUR post. YOU said "stock bottom end...with stock turbos...you can easily squeeze out 650rwhp". Those are the conditions and YOU set them.

Originally Posted by SKILMATIC

...How old are you? 12? I would venture to say by your demeanor here you probably arent even old enough to drive a vehicle. Let alone own one; let alone own a supra...

Now who's the FLAMER, flamer? "Formidable discussion" my @ss ... Lol. Ever hear of T04R.com? Mkiv.com? Supraforums? Mkivforums.com? The mkiv mailing list? Whether you're 12 or not, you've been proven wrong about basic turbocharging technology, and your statements about 650rwhp with the 2jz-gte and it's stock twins have also been proven wrong. Grow up and admit it.

Originally Posted by SKILMATIC

...You mean to tell me that if a fan spins faster and faster you dont feel the wind more and more? Just like if a turbine wheel spins faster and faster it doesnt create more pressure? Your last sentence basically says everything about you. You have not a clue on the actualities on how a turbo works or the familiararities of pressure and its effects. You see the faster a turbine wheel, fan, and propeller spins the more pressure and/or thrust it creates. This is like newbie info for common life dude. Kinda like when someone invented the wheel...

What I said was that if you take ANY fan or ANY pump already working at the exact RPM where it is most efficient, and then double that RPM, you WILL NOT get double the flow. By spinning the device faster, you're forcing it beyond it's efficiency point...and beyond that point you get diminishing returns for rpm increases. This is one of the key reasons that you'll never get 40psi out of the 2jz-gte's oem twins...and why you'll never get a stock 2jz-gte, using only its oem twins, to produce 650rwhp.

Originally Posted by SKILMATIC

...Well your fighting the wrong fight. One must chose his battles much more wisely. Furthermore, you can also point out misinformation in a much more integrity-like way. You only scrutinize yourself. IMHO, if one can have a meaningful mature discussion that one can make his point in a much more easier and deligent fashion...

Quit trying to cover your ass with more misinformation...when you post misinformation out of ignorance, that's forgiveable. But when you intentionally post misinformation to try to cover your ass, that's just plain wrong. If you continue to do so, I'll be the one contacting the moderators.

Originally Posted by SKILMATIC

...Again I have never said in my first posts about any cost boundaries. Find this and I will admit I was wrong...

I agree that no cost boundaries have yet been specifically imposed on our "formidable discussion". On the other hand, I would suggest it is VERY relevant that Evilfurby probably does not intend to spend an unreasonable amount of $ trying to max out the horsepower of his stock twins on his future Mkiv Supra.

Originally Posted by SKILMATIC

...Of course its not because I havent said it yet. I am glad you can see the computer screen...Ok and your point is? I am glad you can repeat what I said...

Look braniac, you TRIED to wiggle your way out of this "formidable discussion" by saying "...if it was up to me I would just upgrade to one big turbo application...", because you KNOW that you're WRONG about making 650rwhp with a stock 2jz-gte bottom end and its oem twin turbos.

Originally Posted by SKILMATIC

...You are the one who is completely wrong you said "you cant get 640whp out of the stock twins." Which in your later post you said you can. I stand by what I said. Just becasue you havent seen it doesnt mean it doesnt exist or that it cant be done. You agreed with me sounds like a concensus to me...

I did NOT say that you can get 640whp or 650whp out of the stock twins. Only YOU claimed that nonsense. If you MISREAD one of my posts, then quote it and I'll explain what I meant, again using very small words just for you.

Originally Posted by SKILMATIC

...I was wandering when you were going to catch that. When you told me you owned a mk4 I didnt beleive you so then I wanted to talk some lingo. I wanted to test your knowledge of your own car you supposedly owned. Then you went on to claim you have built several bpu supras and etc etc. How come that a person who has supposedly built and modded several of these cars and then supposedly you own one yourself didnt catch that? I know the ct12's come with the 2jz, and the ct26's are on mr2's and the 7mg. Sounds liks someone just hit himself.

You made an ERROR assuming the stock twins were CT26s, in this post. As a result of that, together with your ignorance of turbocharging technology, you've dug yourself into a hole by claiming the 2jz-gte's stock twins can push 650rwhp.