[TONY!]

I really have to fix certain things in this thread.
I always wanted to but then Suprra_Girl closed it and I wanted to get her OK before opening it.
Most of this thread was written just before I was modded.
Some clarifications should be stated so that this forum has some credibility to its members.

Originally Posted by SKILMATIC

...The stock block in my experience has been able to hold over 800whp fairly easily. ...The stock turbos can produce an easy 650whp...

Experience as in you had an 800whp Supra?
(Because that is how it sounds like to me--like you are saying you had one.)

Let me get back to you on this. I remember reading somewhere but I forget where. Hold on let me research this. I know I seen this done before.

Please find sources of info--preferable reliable info--before posting.
That way you can back your claim up and if you are found to be wrong, the blame gets shifted to that source.
I highly doubt there was ever such a source from which you claim exists where they said you could make that much power from the stock twins.

Actually let me do the math on this...
...The stock boost on the ct26's is usually around 7-11.5(ea). Now the ct26's are much like a conventional t3/t4. The ct26 is capable of putting out 20psi max. Now each psi equals about 7-10hp. If we up the boost from the stock 10psi on each turbo to say 20psi on each turbo thats 40 psi total on a 2jz NA puts out around 240. So take 40multiply that by 10 you get 400hp add the stock motors hp which is 240 and you get around 640hp. The proof is in the math. Of course engine management/fuel management will be needed...Now if I can only find that dam link...

First, the 2JZ-GTTE uses two CT12b's, not CT26's.
Second, it may be true that at a certain range, each addition PSI will produce 10 HP, but that equation is not a linear equation. Yes, I am sure there is a mathematical formula for it, but implying that the equation is linear, is very incorrect math.

...Remember a turbo mixes exhaust gases into the ambient air form the intake charge. So oxygen isnt a problem...

A turbo pressurizes the incoming air into the cylinder. There is no connection between the intake and the exhaust at all. The turbine drives that attached shaft that carries the compressor wheel and that is how they are related/connected in their function.

...Again I dont need luck when its been done before with pure mathematics. Thats all engines are. Engines were built on the concept of mathematics. And so is every turbo system or blower system out there...

But the mathematics that are used are not solely linear equations. If it were true, then compressor maps would have no curve. Also there are power curves and torque curves--the mathematical equation for determining mathematically what power output you will have which would correspond to plotting points on a power curve or torque curve are so complex that I would not dare even think that I could fathom it.

...I tell you what when I find that article I would appreciate it if you would renounce all your mubo jumbo...

Have you found it?

...Why do you think when you install a turbo on any car your intake charge temp increases? If the 2 are completely dissasociated form each other then your intake temp should remain the same but this is not true. The increase in temp is generated form the mixed gases coming from your exhaust. Maybe you shoudl read your own link a little better...

A turbo engine’s intake air's temperature increases primarily because as you compress a gas, you increase its temperature; conversely, as you decrease pressure, you decrease temperature. This is why air conditioners have compressors and a basic reason why they work, due to increasing and decreasing pressure. Depressurized gas [meaning refrigerant] goes to the cabin, while pressurized gas [meaning refrigerant] goes through a condenser (which is a sort of radiator/intercooler).

Here is a quote from me that I made on another Supra forum:

Originally Posted by TONY!

Most of the heat that an intercooler removes is not from coming from the turbo, but from the air being compressed. When you compress air, you create heat.
If you ever take a spray can that is under pressure and hold it upside down and spray it to release the pressure, the can will have frost on it during a 65F warm day. You can also hold your finger under an air compressor’s release valve and see that the air coming out will be colder than the ambient air. This is the inverse of what happens with a turbo compressing and pressurizing air. When you compress air you create heat and so the inverse will be that when you depressurize air you will lose heat...

...it still mixes the gases together. Hx gases as you should know are much better combustibles than o2...

So untrue, that I just don’t know where to start. After the fuel and oxygen are ignited, they lose their energy. Their energy gets translated into heat energy and then to mechanical energy. When energy is extracted from something, it would NOT be more combustible the second time around. Just like burning a log. You can't burn it twice, because it has already lost its energy.


That clears up the misinformation segment on this thread to a great degree.


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