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sd88supra 07-02-2008 04:30 AM

tell me its a bhg
 
... because I have no idea what else it could be. No milky oil, no white smoke, no power loss... but it does spit coolant out of the reservoir. Given that mine is a N/A, I first thought it was trapped air that pressurized as the temperature increased. So I burped it- several times. I had no idea where air could leak in through other than a bhg, so I stopped driving it.

I'm just about ready to start tearing the head apart, I just need to finish reading the various bhg posts. I just hope the surface isn't warped. I'm thinking stock gasket with ARP bolts. I don't want to have a shop do it because they'll set it to factory specs. Any input is appreciated.

CyFi6 07-02-2008 07:26 AM

That is a very common sign of a BHG. Get a leakage tester and pressurize each cylinder on tdc compression with the radiator cap off, if the coolant level changes at all or bubbles when you pressurize any cylinder, you can be sure it is a bhg or cracked head/block, but more likely head gasket. After a drive, is the upper radiator hose full of air as well? Good sign of a bhg.

supramacist 07-02-2008 08:25 AM

ARP studs..., not bolts and forget about the oem hg and get the head decked and put an MHG on it.

Bolts give, where studs do not.

Whatever you do for an hg is going to be problematic if you don't at minimum lap the block and deck the head.

edmonton 07-02-2008 09:09 AM

could be intake manifold gasket, i just had both mine replaced but it was pretty obvious that was the problem cos i could hear a vacuum leak.

CyFi6 07-02-2008 05:37 PM

having the head milled, the block checked and cleaned well, you can use a stock head gasket with your old oem bolts, or new ones, or arp bolts or studs, it really doesn't matter very much. Just inspect your old bolts for stretching or pitting before you re-use them. If you are keeping your supra to stock power levels, i don't see why you would have to go all out if you are on a budget. And make sure you do not try to go metal head gasket unless you completely do the job 100% right, its not something you can half ass.

supramacist 07-02-2008 09:14 PM

Order the ARP product manuals and research them.
Even they say the studs have better grip because the studs don't turn..., only the nut where as the entire bolt turns.

ddmcse 07-03-2008 01:51 AM

studs are more work


it's hard enough to lower the head onto the 2 register pins w/o scratching it a little

F that your supra is an N/A and you won't be boosting it .you got it right go for it and torque it right

you're going to have the head checked for flat ? or you going to check that yourself ?

supramacist 07-03-2008 04:04 AM

Studs are just so damn pretty.

Grip was my word. I was trying to say what ben said.
Without actually saying it. Or thinking it rather.

ARP also states the 70lbs is the torque spec.

sd88supra 07-03-2008 06:40 AM

I'm contemplating taking it to a mechanic friend (he lives kinda far though), because at least he'll torque it to 75 ftlbs or 101 nm (why doesn't anyone get the units right?), and hes changed countless headgaskets, so he'll do the proper machining. I, on the other hand have never done more than tune ups so I don't know if I'll end up doing it myself.

Do I really need a metal gasket? My car's an N/A. I was under the impression that an oem with ARP studs was the way to go. But it seems that even the oem bolts (new of course) will work well with an N/A if torqued properly.

CyFi6 07-03-2008 09:20 AM

You dont even need new oem bolts if yours are fine. They are not considered a replacement part, in this engine at least.

abhattan 07-03-2008 12:32 PM

Did you even check your cooling system components? Like maybe the radiator cap or the overflow hose is not loose? Many times, if the cap is bad, it will give you similar symptoms. They are only $12. Get a new one and reburp the system. IF that doesn't work, then start crying.

sd88supra 07-05-2008 08:54 PM

I burped the system several time AFTER getting a new cap. I checked all the hoses, and they're fine. The system spits coolant out of the overflow. So yes, I started crying :(

Btw, what will I need as far as tools? I have a basic mechanic's tool set but I know I'll need a torque wrench that I dont have.

supramacist 07-06-2008 10:43 PM

Aside from the basics and a few extra extensions here and there, you'll be good for the most part. Probably a breaker bar. A deep welled 14mm socket. Don't get a torque wrench with a 5/8ths drive as it could cause some mild issues that you can avoid other wise.

You'll need to measure the bolts on the spark plug boot and go to lowes and find a bolt head to fit inside them for removal less you desire buying a 250$ toyota sst.

It's more about making sure you get good parts. The engine it self is fairly easy once you get into that mind set.

I'm not busting anyones chops about the arp. You guys can all do what you want. I do things the way I do them so I don't have to worry about doing them again. NO you don't have to replace the stock head bolts. It's just good business to upgrade right there in the heart of the design flaw area.

supramacist 07-07-2008 06:13 AM

I meant to say 1/2 in drive on the torque wrench. I don't know where the heck I got 5/8ths from.

I got it done but I had to buy a special socket to squeeze inside there.

I found it easiest to place the head onto the 2 guide pins. I tried to slide it down on the studs and it just wasn't having it. So I guess it depends on your ride.

I sat the head down onto the guide pins and then inserted the washers and then the studs and finally the bolts.

Just seemes to be designed that way. Point being just think think and then re-think again before sliding the head on because...., yes you don't want to be sliding it around over the tops of anything. It needs to drop right on as easily as possible.


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