idle problems

88 supra turbo · 04-28-2009, 03:37 AM

I have a 1988 supra turbo 7m gte and it idles about 1400 rpms and when I adjust the idle screw to bring the idle down under 1000 it starts smoking. It seems to be white smoke. The smoke stops when I jump the idle back up. What should the idle be and is this normally. I bought the car about 2 weeks ago and the guy i bought it off of says the motor is stock and he rebuilt it and only has 8000 miles on the rebuilt. Im just a newbie at this so any help would be great. By the way the engine codes are 51 and 71.

btwilson86 · 04-28-2009, 01:21 PM

Can't help you with the 71 code, but that 51 code is most likely a throttle position sensor out of adjustment, causing your high idle. And for future reference, you shouldn't need to adjust that screw on the throttle...

Check here to set the TPS

88 supra turbo · 04-28-2009, 01:50 PM

Thanks for the reply. I am in the process of checking the tps. I have been doing some reading on the tsrm. Yesterday I checked contunity on my tps and with no clearence it showed no contunity. I backed the top screw out of the tps and got a little play and it showed contunity. The bottom screw is a pain to get to. I will try to get to the bottom screw today and adjust it. If it is out of adjustment will it cause it to smoke at low idle.

btwilson86 · 04-28-2009, 11:25 PM

The smoke probably wouldn't be from the TPS. I'm not sure what could cause white colored smoke other than a BHG, or some sort of liquid vaporising

88 supra turbo · 04-29-2009, 01:09 AM

I finally broke the bottom screw loose on my tps and adjusted it. I had good results out of it but I let it sit for about 2 hrs and went back to start it and it stayed around 1400. It was fully operating temp. so I starting taping the tps and the idle kept coming down. I guess the switch inside is bad. It seems like it starts smoking when I push the throttle at low idle. Do you think maybe the dashpot not set right could cause this smoke on deacceleration. When it starts smoking it throws alot of water out the exhaust. It will cover your hand. Do you think I need to replace my tps.

btwilson86 · 04-29-2009, 05:07 AM

I'd say that if you have to tap the TPS to get the inside to move, then you should replace it. The one I had actually melted the plastic piece inside, so I replaced it with a junkyard unit and it worked great. Be aware, though, that there are 2 different style's of TPS's. One has an all plastic housing, the other has a metal (or at least metal looking) plate on the backside of it. Plugs and resistance are the same between the two, however the points where it contacts the throttle body are in different locations. I ended up swapping out my throttle body for one off of a Cressida because that was the only TPS I could find, and of course it was different than mine.

I"m hoping that someone else on the forum here will chime in to help you out with the water from the tailpipe, as I have no personal experience with anything like that.

88 supra turbo · 05-01-2009, 08:27 PM

I replaced my tps today and it works fine. The old one that I took off the car was defective. The spring inside of the tps was the problem. My idle is fine now and I set my dashpot. I drove it down the road and back to my house. Ok I left my car idling and about 2 minutes it started smoking but when you press the gas and hold it the smoking quit. Any advise would help. It still looks white smoke to me.

dunewarz · 05-05-2009, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 88 supra turbo

I replaced my tps today and it works fine. The old one that I took off the car was defective. The spring inside of the tps was the problem. My idle is fine now and I set my dashpot. I drove it down the road and back to my house. Ok I left my car idling and about 2 minutes it started smoking but when you press the gas and hold it the smoking quit. Any advise would help. It still looks white smoke to me.

Most likely if you head gasket isn't blown it's coming from you iscv (idle speed control valve or iacv same thing) There's a coolent hose running thorough the iscv on 7mgte's. Maybe there's a leak in there causing it to smoke at idle. When you get on the gas it closes the iscv causing the smoking to stop.

88 supra turbo · 05-06-2009, 06:47 PM

Thanks for the reply. I was wondering if the big 3"exhaust that I have on the car would have something to do with it. It is a drager exhaust from hks. I have 3" downpipe to. When it idles about 800 the exhaust starts to sweat and it starts blowing white smoke. When I idle it up to about 1000rpm the sweat goes away and the smoking stops. Is it possible that at 800 rpm that the exhaust is not flowing fast enough causing the pipe to heat up and sweat. Going back to what you said about the isc. When I replace my tps I had to take the isc off to get to the tps. I figured while I had it off that I would check the opening and closing of the isc and the resistance. It all checked out but I did not exam it for cracks like you said. Just curious what you think.

SUPRAMAN3468 · 05-07-2009, 12:24 AM

more than likely u have a leaking injector chech each one. at higher idles the fuel from the injector is being burned, but at lower rpm there is un burned fuel, what color is the smoke, black (fuel) white (tranny) blue/grey(oil), if hg is blown check oil for water in it, or lots of water coming from exhuast

04-28-2009, 03:37 AM	#1
88 supra turbo Stock Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: va Posts: 14	idle problems I have a 1988 supra turbo 7m gte and it idles about 1400 rpms and when I adjust the idle screw to bring the idle down under 1000 it starts smoking. It seems to be white smoke. The smoke stops when I jump the idle back up. What should the idle be and is this normally. I bought the car about 2 weeks ago and the guy i bought it off of says the motor is stock and he rebuilt it and only has 8000 miles on the rebuilt. Im just a newbie at this so any help would be great. By the way the engine codes are 51 and 71.

04-28-2009, 01:21 PM	#2
btwilson86 Super Moderator Join Date: May 2007 Location: Billings, Montana Posts: 1,034	Can't help you with the 71 code, but that 51 code is most likely a throttle position sensor out of adjustment, causing your high idle. And for future reference, you shouldn't need to adjust that screw on the throttle... Check here to set the TPS __________________ 1989 7MGTE R154 Targa Top White Package w/Blue Interior Driftmotion 57trim CT26, Upgraded Intercooler, 2.25" Hard Pipes, 3" Turbo Back Exhaust with Test Pipe, HKS VPC w/GM 3 bar MAP sensor, APEXi S-AFC, Walbro 255lph fuel pump, ProSport EVO Series Boost / Fuel Pressure / AFR gauges, Lotek a Pillar Gauge Pod, HKS Type 0 Turbo Timer, Eibach Lowering Springs, Tokico Illumina II TEMS struts, custom powder coated Motegi Racing TrakLite wheels

04-28-2009, 11:25 PM	#4
btwilson86 Super Moderator Join Date: May 2007 Location: Billings, Montana Posts: 1,034	The smoke probably wouldn't be from the TPS. I'm not sure what could cause white colored smoke other than a BHG, or some sort of liquid vaporising __________________ 1989 7MGTE R154 Targa Top White Package w/Blue Interior Driftmotion 57trim CT26, Upgraded Intercooler, 2.25" Hard Pipes, 3" Turbo Back Exhaust with Test Pipe, HKS VPC w/GM 3 bar MAP sensor, APEXi S-AFC, Walbro 255lph fuel pump, ProSport EVO Series Boost / Fuel Pressure / AFR gauges, Lotek a Pillar Gauge Pod, HKS Type 0 Turbo Timer, Eibach Lowering Springs, Tokico Illumina II TEMS struts, custom powder coated Motegi Racing TrakLite wheels

04-29-2009, 05:07 AM	#6
btwilson86 Super Moderator Join Date: May 2007 Location: Billings, Montana Posts: 1,034	I'd say that if you have to tap the TPS to get the inside to move, then you should replace it. The one I had actually melted the plastic piece inside, so I replaced it with a junkyard unit and it worked great. Be aware, though, that there are 2 different style's of TPS's. One has an all plastic housing, the other has a metal (or at least metal looking) plate on the backside of it. Plugs and resistance are the same between the two, however the points where it contacts the throttle body are in different locations. I ended up swapping out my throttle body for one off of a Cressida because that was the only TPS I could find, and of course it was different than mine. I"m hoping that someone else on the forum here will chime in to help you out with the water from the tailpipe, as I have no personal experience with anything like that. __________________ 1989 7MGTE R154 Targa Top White Package w/Blue Interior Driftmotion 57trim CT26, Upgraded Intercooler, 2.25" Hard Pipes, 3" Turbo Back Exhaust with Test Pipe, HKS VPC w/GM 3 bar MAP sensor, APEXi S-AFC, Walbro 255lph fuel pump, ProSport EVO Series Boost / Fuel Pressure / AFR gauges, Lotek a Pillar Gauge Pod, HKS Type 0 Turbo Timer, Eibach Lowering Springs, Tokico Illumina II TEMS struts, custom powder coated Motegi Racing TrakLite wheels

05-07-2009, 12:24 AM	#10
SUPRAMAN3468 Stock Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: FLORISSANT Posts: 10 Blog Entries: 1	solution more than likely u have a leaking injector chech each one. at higher idles the fuel from the injector is being burned, but at lower rpm there is un burned fuel, what color is the smoke, black (fuel) white (tranny) blue/grey(oil), if hg is blown check oil for water in it, or lots of water coming from exhuast

04-28-2009, 01:50 PM	#3
88 supra turbo Stock Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: va Posts: 14	Thanks for the reply. I am in the process of checking the tps. I have been doing some reading on the tsrm. Yesterday I checked contunity on my tps and with no clearence it showed no contunity. I backed the top screw out of the tps and got a little play and it showed contunity. The bottom screw is a pain to get to. I will try to get to the bottom screw today and adjust it. If it is out of adjustment will it cause it to smoke at low idle.

04-29-2009, 01:09 AM	#5
88 supra turbo Stock Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: va Posts: 14	I finally broke the bottom screw loose on my tps and adjusted it. I had good results out of it but I let it sit for about 2 hrs and went back to start it and it stayed around 1400. It was fully operating temp. so I starting taping the tps and the idle kept coming down. I guess the switch inside is bad. It seems like it starts smoking when I push the throttle at low idle. Do you think maybe the dashpot not set right could cause this smoke on deacceleration. When it starts smoking it throws alot of water out the exhaust. It will cover your hand. Do you think I need to replace my tps.

05-01-2009, 08:27 PM	#7
88 supra turbo Stock Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: va Posts: 14	I replaced my tps today and it works fine. The old one that I took off the car was defective. The spring inside of the tps was the problem. My idle is fine now and I set my dashpot. I drove it down the road and back to my house. Ok I left my car idling and about 2 minutes it started smoking but when you press the gas and hold it the smoking quit. Any advise would help. It still looks white smoke to me.

05-06-2009, 06:47 PM	#9
88 supra turbo Stock Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: va Posts: 14	Thanks for the reply. I was wondering if the big 3"exhaust that I have on the car would have something to do with it. It is a drager exhaust from hks. I have 3" downpipe to. When it idles about 800 the exhaust starts to sweat and it starts blowing white smoke. When I idle it up to about 1000rpm the sweat goes away and the smoking stops. Is it possible that at 800 rpm that the exhaust is not flowing fast enough causing the pipe to heat up and sweat. Going back to what you said about the isc. When I replace my tps I had to take the isc off to get to the tps. I figured while I had it off that I would check the opening and closing of the isc and the resistance. It all checked out but I did not exam it for cracks like you said. Just curious what you think.

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