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venomstreetmachine 06-25-2009 03:20 AM

changed turbo and now the car wont start
 
I have been working on my 90 supra Turbo for a year now.

I changed the head and gasket ! decided to upgrade the exhaust manifold and turbo.
I also installed a fuel pressure regulator....
I need help !
Got everything mounted the car turns over but wont start !

1, the intercooler piping gets really hot just cranking the engine over !
2,Fuel Pressure only builds up when cranking
3,The car will start half arsed when I spray starter fluid pops and backfires!

Im dying to get this car going can someone help me or give me a hint

mirage83 06-25-2009 11:34 AM

Any codes? Have you checked the mechanical timing as well as your CPS alignment?

venomstreetmachine 06-25-2009 01:51 PM

Yep, Timing is spot on ! But I will check it again !
I have great compression !

Would you happen to know what the fuel Pressure should be? and if the EFI system should pressure up when the ignition is turned on? or when I turn it over?
Thanks for any help !

mirage83 06-25-2009 03:34 PM

Fuel pressure for the GTE is supposed to be 33-40 lbs with the key in the ON position without the engine running. There are different procedures of checking the fuel pressure at idle, here's a link...

http://www.cygnusx1.net/Supra/Librar...aspx?S=FI&P=73

venomstreetmachine 06-25-2009 04:58 PM

I appreciate the help ! But whats happening is... when I turn on the key nothing happens, the dash lights up but no fuel pressure ! I only get pressure when i am cranking.

mirage83 06-25-2009 05:56 PM

Have you checked the EFI fuse? Is the fuel pump getting power?

btwilson86 06-30-2009 03:21 AM

Fuel pump does NOT turn on when the key is just in the on position. It only starts pumping once the engine starts turning over.

It sounds alot like a timing issue... you said that the timing is spot on. Are you 100% positive that the cps was placed on the compression stroke and not on the exhaust stroke?

Kevin 06-30-2009 04:09 AM

hey sorry to kinda hijack but how would u know if its on the compression or combustion stroke?

jkendall86 06-30-2009 06:46 AM

cps
 
check te cps...cam position sensor...take off the 3 screws on the side with the engine at Top Dead Center and check to see if the cam is in the right spot...check this out,

http://www.cygnusx1.net/Supra/Librar...aspx?S=EM&P=22

mirage83 06-30-2009 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by btwilson86 (Post 70874)
Fuel pump does NOT turn on when the key is just in the on position. It only starts pumping once the engine starts turning over.

You've got to jump a couple of wires to do the ON position test per the TSRM... +B and Fp iirc.

venomstreetmachine 06-30-2009 10:41 PM

I know the timing is right ! because I have awesome compression !
But I am a bit confused as to the Cam Position sensor...
How do I know where to set it? Is there any kind of mark on it to lign it up right?

Also, new development ! I have a brand new battery in it and when I go to crank it over, all i hear is a bunch of clicking and then my lights flip up and down, dash lights come on and off and then nothing !

The battery is fully charged but it wont do anything ! when I turn the ignition on the dash light up normal but when I go to crank it, all power dies !
could my starter be blown?

btwilson86 07-01-2009 12:23 AM

That's right, the fuel pump will have to be bridged in order for it to cycle on when the key is in the on position, I thought you were saying under normal use that it'll turn on without cranking the motor first.

As for the timing... you will still have awesome compression even if you're timing is off. I'm talking about your ignition timing. To me it sounds like your cps is 180 out, and you're firing on the exhaust stroke. Had the exact same thing happen to me with my N/A after putting the distributor in wrong.

Typically when you install the CPS (once you verify you're on the correct stroke) you place it with the set bolt centered on the cps flange. Keep in mind that before you install a CPS you have to align the little gear with the larger gear on the cps shaft before placing in the engine. There is a little stub on the tiny gear on the end of the shaft, align that with the notch on the large alignment gear teeth above it on the shaft. Sorry if that sounds confusing, the tsrm explains it much better with pictures here. After you get the engine running, you set the ignition timing by putting a jumper wire between terminals TE1 and E1, connect a timing light to the No. 6 coil wire, and rotate the cps until the timing is set to 10 degrees btdc. While timing, remove the jumper wire and verify that the timing advances to at least 12 degrees btdc.

Sorry if this seems drawn out, I've just spent the last few days running all over timing issues with my 7MGTE and want to help out as much as I can with the knowledge I acquired.

venomstreetmachine 08-26-2009 12:45 AM

Got the car going again !
 
Wow ! I had a massive section of my harness melted together !
Looked like Tie Die ! lol
She runs good but for some reason I am not boosting !
I have a Tial external wastegate. It seems like I am not getting the kick I should. Its a brand new Super T4 turbo on a TURBO XS Manifold.
3 inch V band with greddy exhaust system.
Its almost like its not firing on all cylinders... I ordered new coil packs and NOLOGY plug wires...going back to stock ignition with a spark booster and Rev limiter. Maybe that will fix my problem.
You seem to be quite knowledgeable on the Supras !


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