rear end changed gearing ratio?

[Ranma]

I just bought a 1986 mk III Supra. I have put a lot of work into it and have discovered it pulled 3300 rpm doing 75 miles per hour. The speedometer is reading low for some reason. Is it possible the rear differential was changed somehow, my Toyota dealer is not sure and I have to wait until Monday for them to look at it.

Hi, you can call me Ranma. My picture looks nothing like me but it symbolizes the spirt of my Supra. Am too embarrassed to post my own picture. I had a 86 mk III in Japan but could not bring it to America for some stupid reason only a government official could think of. They have to justify their salaries somehow.

Oh I need a number of the small plastic parts like the covers for the door handles, etc. Any suggestions? One nice thing all of the accessories still work unlike my old Firebird.

[cre]

There were three different gear ratios used for the MA70's 4.30:1 3.91:1 and 3.73:1. All three were available in LSD, the latter two were ONLY available in LSD and the 4.30:1 was ONLY available in the non turbo. If you spin one wheel with the back end jacked up and the other side moves in the OPPOSITE direction it's an open LSD and thus it's 4.30:1. If both move the same way it's an LSD. If it's an LSD you may look at the charts below to easily find which one it probably is. The minor difference in gearing will make for a small offset.. so will the MASSIVE margin of error in the stock spedometer and tachometer. Best way to check is to roll the car along a measured lengthof road and check against the odometer.

75's right for 5th gear in a N/A at about 3300RPM.

W58: (that's the non-turbo transmission)



R154's:
Pre89 (3.91:1)


89+ (3.73:1)

[Green7mgte]

http://www.toyotaparts123.com/partlo...5450&year=1992

store to buy OEM parts.

spirit of the supra hu. cool. good luck with your build. welcome to the board.

[cre]

www.toyotaworld.com (Champion Toyota) out of Texas is a favorite of mine... beat some of my local dealer's shop prices.... of course the dealers here really suck.

[turbonicsperformance]

yep sounds right i did my first highway drive today and at 70 i was right on 3000 i think the chart might be just a little off for 3rd though because i was in 3rd at 87mph not redlining (track reading not my speedo i wasnt looking at it to know) and the chart shows that being impossible my tires are actually 1/4inch or so smaller than stock too hmmmm wonder whats up

or maybe not my car is an 86.5 so its not supposed to be a turbo but my mph to rpm match the pre 89 r154 perfect hmmmmmmmmmmm????? i know it not though because i just did a clutch on it im puzzled

[Ranma]

Thank You for your help CRE!

I will check the speedometer

[cre]

Originally Posted by fullthrottlesrqsupra

yep sounds right i did my first highway drive today and at 70 i was right on 3000 i think the chart might be just a little off for 3rd though because i was in 3rd at 87mph not redlining (track reading not my speedo i wasnt looking at it to know) and the chart shows that being impossible my tires are actually 1/4inch or so smaller than stock too hmmmm wonder whats up

or maybe not my car is an 86.5 so its not supposed to be a turbo but my mph to rpm match the pre 89 r154 perfect hmmmmmmmmmmm????? i know it not though because i just did a clutch on it im puzzled

It's simple... first off that chart is for a PERFECTLY dialed in FACTORY, BONE STOCK setup... even a difference in air pressure will start it moving off... second, the factory speedometer SUCKS. It can be calibrated but will not be terribly accurate except for the speed at which it was calibrated. and Third... the stock tachometer SUCKS... miles off. Mine is off by about 150RPM at idle and it gets worse the higher you rev... this could be modified so you could calibrate it, but it's not worth it in the least. Also, if you're running a R154 the numbers will be off too... their gearing is a bit different for each gear.

[Bru]

Originally Posted by Green7mgte

http://www.toyotaparts123.com/partlo...5450&year=1992

store to buy OEM parts.

spirit of the supra hu. cool. good luck with your build. welcome to the board.

Here is a online price comparison for the same part:
Passenger side door molding 86-88.

Toyota World $166.42
Toyota Parts Barn $162.50
Toyota Parts 123 $156.50

Shipping and taxes (if any) may vary depending on where you live.

[Green7mgte]

Originally Posted by Bru

Here is a online price comparison for the same part:
Passenger side door molding 86-88.

Toyota World $166.42
Toyota Parts Barn $162.50
Toyota Parts 123 $156.50

Shipping and taxes (if any) may vary depending on where you live.

yea i just dropped a link from one of my book marks. I have several companys I go through for oem parts. In fact when I want to buy something I load all of them and see which one is the cheapest.

[cre]

If the speedometer is off but all the gearing is right you can recalibrate the gauge. There is an arm behind the face which adjusts it my percentage and flat out moving the needle is what you'll do fix a constant offset (ie: it's ALWAYS 5 MPH low).

If the gearing does NOT match you may swap out the speedometer driven gear or worst case swap out the diff to make everything right.

You may recalibrate the gauge to make the speed report accurately without changing any gearing (diff or speedo drive gear) BUT the odometer will still be off.

When changing to a different diff the proper course of action is to change the speedometer drive gear for one the appropriate size or to install small gear box which changes rate at which the speedometer cable spins (there are actually shops that do just this).