7mge hp increase info

907mge · 10-22-2010, 02:22 AM

Since the subject of trying to get 25% plus increases in hp out of a 7mge, I will try to address this all at once. I am not trying to put anyone down, but rather try to express the info that I have learned from experience with my 7mge and time on the forum here.
1. Back when the mk3 came out in1986.5 it was reviewed by Car and Driver and given a 0 to 60 time of 8 seconds which is slightly faster than a new Honda fit.

2.HP can be increased but it is hard and a lot of money must be invested compared to the potential of a 7mgte.

3.In the late 80’s the car was quick but in today’s world with faster and faster cars it is falling behind not to mention how heavy it is.

4. The 7m was the last of a series of motor started by Toyota in the 60’s so the jz series is much more modern and more reliable for those who like that option.

5. As far as I know there is no aftermarket ECU for the 7mge and the stock one is not able to be tuned.

6. Aftermarket parts are far fewer for the 7mge than they are for the 7mgte.

Here is what is available as far modifications and bolt ons that can be done for the 7mge that I know of. If anyone would like to add something please do:
Intake: there are a few intakes for the 7mge but all off them stay in the engine bay and eliminate the stock air box which draws cold air.

So without building some sort of heat shield or getting cooler air from outside all you will do is suck hot air which will result in lost hp.

Intake Manifold: I guess you could get or make a front facing intake manifold but not without investing a good deal of money for an unknown hp increase. The stock manifold is made for the 7mge and does its job well.

Header: there are really only 2 available OBX and Pacesetter. I know the pacesetter requires modification for fitment but don’t know about the OBX. If you do put in a header make sure it is either exhaust wrapped or ceramic coated to keep down engine bay temps which will hurt performance.

Exhaust: I think there is only one for the 7mge which is the pacesetter catback. All the other exhausts are made for the 7mgte. The best option is to just have a custom one made up with the muffler of your choice. I have the HKS twin tip muffler cat back for mine made for the gte. I may lose some power in the lower rpms but o well.

Tuning: this is tough since there are no real aftermarket electronics for the 7mge. And generic chips said to have high gains are not what they say they are.

AFM(air flow meter): this can be modified to make it a little more sensitive for better throttle response. But is not a MAF.

Head: the heads are the same for both motors the only difference is the intake cam which is more aggressive on the 7mge. Cleaning and porting and polishing can be done for increased air flow and regaining hp.

Rebuild: engines lose power over there life and a rebuild with fresh parts can bring back lost performance.

Increasing Compression: this can be done but will require more work and trial and error to avoid knocking.

Boring: this is usually down on a rebuild to smooth and even out the cylinder walls and will only give a small increase in displacement.

Egr: it is only for the good of preventing knock and should not be removed since its removal has no real benefit.

Weight Reduction: this is good if you want a track car but to get a real loss you will need to invest some decent money and get rid of a lot.

Cams: they do make them but it will most likely require adjustment with adjustable cam gears. They will most likely give a rougher idle and are made for the 7mgte, at least the Brian Crowers are. By the time you are down you could have bought a JDM 7mgte for the money.

Stroker Kit: I think this is available, but for nearly 3grand. A 2jz swap can be done for less than that. Thats a lot of money for a 60hp increase.

Turbo: Why? Toyota already made a good turbo motor. And the ct26 is know for a good long life for a turbo. Others have tried to turbo the 7mge and found it to be not worth the money or time.

zby67 · 10-22-2010, 08:02 AM

ok that makes alot of sense and opens my eyes to the reasons why everyone says the GE is a money pit. wish this was posted sooner instead of me going out and finding mods i want to do lol. im guessing if i go with a 1JZ or 2JZ i cant use the trans i have? what is required for the conversion? and with the 7M-GTE will bolt onto my auto trans would be most effective. just get oil cooler and intercool. what else is required? cause at suprastore they give you just about everything you need. before i was just looking to make my supra look kick ass with balls to back it up with out going over board. which is why i figured just rebuild bore over .20 shave head .10 and add MHG with afew other mods. and go balls to the wall when i find a 1990 supra with the GTE and R154 trans. but with a engine gasket hit with pistons and new oil pump being like 400-500. and all the mods i want to do = total of 9k-10k with out even touching the body with body restore im looking 2-3k if not alittle more. also would adding this eather the steel or aluminum help and by how much? http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/part...veshafts//5545

zby67 · 10-22-2010, 09:12 AM

ok ditch doing a 1JZ-2JZ ill just do a GTE. or hold off and see if the GE will last till i find the 90. cause i have 2 GE's one runs the other want to fire but wont. my guess bHG all fluids were black... nice... anyway im pulling the engine this sunday and taring it apart is my winter project. and i just might just do a rebuild keep it as is after that. or well taking the engine apart figure out what the hell i want to do lol....

907mge · 10-22-2010, 09:49 PM

I'd just take your time and rebuild the 7mge. You can do port and polish work on the head yourself to help with flow as well as port match everything. I think you will be suprised on how much pep you can bring back. Supra Sport also has some pretty good stuff.

All I was trying to say with this is that a 300hp 7mge could be possible but not without investing a good deal of money. Probably for the same amount you could double the hp with a 7mgte.

zby67 · 10-23-2010, 05:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 907mge

I'd just take your time and rebuild the 7mge. You can do port and polish work on the head yourself to help with flow as well as port match everything. I think you will be suprised on how much pep you can bring back. Supra Sport also has some pretty good stuff.

All I was trying to say with this is that a 300hp 7mge could be possible but not without investing a good deal of money. Probably for the same amount you could double the hp with a 7mgte.

yeah iv checked out supra sport nice site though parts i need they dont have lol. also how would you do a port and polish yourself? i know i dont have the tools for that lol. but ill be rebuilding the GE cost less then doing a convertion and i would rather find a 90 with one it it and a R154 trans. less headache lol

907mge · 10-23-2010, 11:27 PM

To do a p&p job you will have to remove the valves from the head. You can really get into it and remove alot of metal which you have to be careful with or you can just do a good clean and smooth it out job. You will find the exhaust ports to be lined with carbon and the intake ports lined with residue from the pcv. Actually the whole intake will be coated from the pcv. There are videos on youtube of p&p ing but most of them are on big v8s that have much bigger ports. On the 7m the ports are much smaller and harder to work on. On mine I tried to do it myself and got sick of it and had the guy at the machine shop do it for me. He spent about 4 hours grinding away as well as a valve job and reshiming for $500.

zby67 · 10-24-2010, 05:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 907mge

To do a p&p job you will have to remove the valves from the head. You can really get into it and remove alot of metal which you have to be careful with or you can just do a good clean and smooth it out job. You will find the exhaust ports to be lined with carbon and the intake ports lined with residue from the pcv. Actually the whole intake will be coated from the pcv. There are videos on youtube of p&p ing but most of them are on big v8s that have much bigger ports. On the 7m the ports are much smaller and harder to work on. On mine I tried to do it myself and got sick of it and had the guy at the machine shop do it for me. He spent about 4 hours grinding away as well as a valve job and reshiming for $500.

how thats fairly cheep! but yeah ill be doing a complete overhaul of the engine so everything comes out and new gets put back in. easyer said then done plus i the work on the head and block. hope this goes smother then what im thinking it will lol. wont know till i try. and i will be asking questions cause the haynes repair manual i has gives more info in the 5M's and basicly skips over the 86.5 and 87's and then gos directly to the 89-92 7m-GTE witch are similar but still. ill be using Cygnus X1 witch as everyone has said the holy bible to the supra's! lol

907mge · 10-24-2010, 04:07 PM

Yeah for me the previous owner included a tsrm for me which is nice. Just remember the following for the head gasket:

A metal headgasket is way overkill for a na

Use copper spray by permatex on the gasket before install

Chase the threads to insure accurate torque readings

The factory head bolts can be reused but I went with arp headstuds for extra reasurance.

Retorquing after a few heat cycles never hurts to be sure

zby67 · 10-24-2010, 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 907mge

Yeah for me the previous owner included a tsrm for me which is nice. Just remember the following for the head gasket:

A metal headgasket is way overkill for a na

Use copper spray by permatex on the gasket before install

Chase the threads to insure accurate torque readings

The factory head bolts can be reused but I went with arp headstuds for extra reasurance.

Retorquing after a few heat cycles never hurts to be sure

MHG comes with the rebuild kit! lol and ARP head bolts lol its like 500 but hey

spunkenhimer · 01-30-2011, 03:25 PM

a lot of good information on here thanks alot guys for posting that about the 7mge engine. I was gonna see if i could find a way to remove my egr and carbon canister its big and in the way but i guess i should keep it right?

10-22-2010, 02:22 AM	#1
907mge 20psi boost Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Harrisburg Posts: 759	7mge hp increase info Since the subject of trying to get 25% plus increases in hp out of a 7mge, I will try to address this all at once. I am not trying to put anyone down, but rather try to express the info that I have learned from experience with my 7mge and time on the forum here. 1. Back when the mk3 came out in1986.5 it was reviewed by Car and Driver and given a 0 to 60 time of 8 seconds which is slightly faster than a new Honda fit. 2.HP can be increased but it is hard and a lot of money must be invested compared to the potential of a 7mgte. 3.In the late 80’s the car was quick but in today’s world with faster and faster cars it is falling behind not to mention how heavy it is. 4. The 7m was the last of a series of motor started by Toyota in the 60’s so the jz series is much more modern and more reliable for those who like that option. 5. As far as I know there is no aftermarket ECU for the 7mge and the stock one is not able to be tuned. 6. Aftermarket parts are far fewer for the 7mge than they are for the 7mgte. Here is what is available as far modifications and bolt ons that can be done for the 7mge that I know of. If anyone would like to add something please do: Intake: there are a few intakes for the 7mge but all off them stay in the engine bay and eliminate the stock air box which draws cold air. So without building some sort of heat shield or getting cooler air from outside all you will do is suck hot air which will result in lost hp. Intake Manifold: I guess you could get or make a front facing intake manifold but not without investing a good deal of money for an unknown hp increase. The stock manifold is made for the 7mge and does its job well. Header: there are really only 2 available OBX and Pacesetter. I know the pacesetter requires modification for fitment but don’t know about the OBX. If you do put in a header make sure it is either exhaust wrapped or ceramic coated to keep down engine bay temps which will hurt performance. Exhaust: I think there is only one for the 7mge which is the pacesetter catback. All the other exhausts are made for the 7mgte. The best option is to just have a custom one made up with the muffler of your choice. I have the HKS twin tip muffler cat back for mine made for the gte. I may lose some power in the lower rpms but o well. Tuning: this is tough since there are no real aftermarket electronics for the 7mge. And generic chips said to have high gains are not what they say they are. AFM(air flow meter): this can be modified to make it a little more sensitive for better throttle response. But is not a MAF. Head: the heads are the same for both motors the only difference is the intake cam which is more aggressive on the 7mge. Cleaning and porting and polishing can be done for increased air flow and regaining hp. Rebuild: engines lose power over there life and a rebuild with fresh parts can bring back lost performance. Increasing Compression: this can be done but will require more work and trial and error to avoid knocking. Boring: this is usually down on a rebuild to smooth and even out the cylinder walls and will only give a small increase in displacement. Egr: it is only for the good of preventing knock and should not be removed since its removal has no real benefit. Weight Reduction: this is good if you want a track car but to get a real loss you will need to invest some decent money and get rid of a lot. Cams: they do make them but it will most likely require adjustment with adjustable cam gears. They will most likely give a rougher idle and are made for the 7mgte, at least the Brian Crowers are. By the time you are down you could have bought a JDM 7mgte for the money. Stroker Kit: I think this is available, but for nearly 3grand. A 2jz swap can be done for less than that. Thats a lot of money for a 60hp increase. Turbo: Why? Toyota already made a good turbo motor. And the ct26 is know for a good long life for a turbo. Others have tried to turbo the 7mge and found it to be not worth the money or time. Last edited by 907mge; 10-22-2010 at 02:24 AM.

10-22-2010, 08:02 AM	#2
zby67 3" Exhaust Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Moving Posts: 85	ok that makes alot of sense and opens my eyes to the reasons why everyone says the GE is a money pit. wish this was posted sooner instead of me going out and finding mods i want to do lol. im guessing if i go with a 1JZ or 2JZ i cant use the trans i have? what is required for the conversion? and with the 7M-GTE will bolt onto my auto trans would be most effective. just get oil cooler and intercool. what else is required? cause at suprastore they give you just about everything you need. before i was just looking to make my supra look kick ass with balls to back it up with out going over board. which is why i figured just rebuild bore over .20 shave head .10 and add MHG with afew other mods. and go balls to the wall when i find a 1990 supra with the GTE and R154 trans. but with a engine gasket hit with pistons and new oil pump being like 400-500. and all the mods i want to do = total of 9k-10k with out even touching the body with body restore im looking 2-3k if not alittle more. also would adding this eather the steel or aluminum help and by how much? http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/part...veshafts//5545 __________________ 1986.5 MA70 7M-GE 1987 MA70 7M-GE

10-22-2010, 09:12 AM	#3
zby67 3" Exhaust Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Moving Posts: 85	ok ditch doing a 1JZ-2JZ ill just do a GTE. or hold off and see if the GE will last till i find the 90. cause i have 2 GE's one runs the other want to fire but wont. my guess bHG all fluids were black... nice... anyway im pulling the engine this sunday and taring it apart is my winter project. and i just might just do a rebuild keep it as is after that. or well taking the engine apart figure out what the hell i want to do lol.... __________________ 1986.5 MA70 7M-GE 1987 MA70 7M-GE

10-22-2010, 09:49 PM	#4
907mge 20psi boost Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Harrisburg Posts: 759	I'd just take your time and rebuild the 7mge. You can do port and polish work on the head yourself to help with flow as well as port match everything. I think you will be suprised on how much pep you can bring back. Supra Sport also has some pretty good stuff. All I was trying to say with this is that a 300hp 7mge could be possible but not without investing a good deal of money. Probably for the same amount you could double the hp with a 7mgte. Last edited by 907mge; 10-22-2010 at 09:52 PM.

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907mge 20psi boost Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Harrisburg Posts: 759	To do a p&p job you will have to remove the valves from the head. You can really get into it and remove alot of metal which you have to be careful with or you can just do a good clean and smooth it out job. You will find the exhaust ports to be lined with carbon and the intake ports lined with residue from the pcv. Actually the whole intake will be coated from the pcv. There are videos on youtube of p&p ing but most of them are on big v8s that have much bigger ports. On the 7m the ports are much smaller and harder to work on. On mine I tried to do it myself and got sick of it and had the guy at the machine shop do it for me. He spent about 4 hours grinding away as well as a valve job and reshiming for $500.

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907mge 20psi boost Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Harrisburg Posts: 759	Yeah for me the previous owner included a tsrm for me which is nice. Just remember the following for the head gasket: A metal headgasket is way overkill for a na Use copper spray by permatex on the gasket before install Chase the threads to insure accurate torque readings The factory head bolts can be reused but I went with arp headstuds for extra reasurance. Retorquing after a few heat cycles never hurts to be sure

01-30-2011, 03:25 PM	#10
spunkenhimer Intake Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Pikeville NC. Posts: 49	a lot of good information on here thanks alot guys for posting that about the 7mge engine. I was gonna see if i could find a way to remove my egr and carbon canister its big and in the way but i guess i should keep it right?