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91supradude 03-28-2011 06:09 PM

how to make an open turbo
 
Hey guys im new here and need some help with my 1991 supra turbo.
Ive been wanting for a long time to pull off all of the turbo piping that runs to the AFM. i want to relocate the AFM to the throttle body like the 1JZ has. does anyone know of a kit i could buy or something i could make? Anything will help.
Thanks Justin

Travis89Turbo 03-28-2011 07:11 PM

Here ya go. This or a full standalon is your options. I hope your not doin it just for the pssshhh sound. Cuz as u can see its expensive.
http://www.maftpro.com/

cre 03-29-2011 12:44 AM

There's some confusion here. The 7M-GTE uses a KVAFM where the 1JZ uses a MAP sensor based solution. While the MAP sensor bay receive its signal from any location (it's preferable that it is sourced AFTER the throttle body) the KVAFM does not do well in "blow though" setups. The issue is significant distortions in the vortex which the meter actually looks at to determine air flow. Many systems based on other meters/sensors do not have this issue.

91supradude 03-29-2011 06:27 PM

im not just trying to make the noise thats what i have a BOV for lol.. umm what im trying to do is run the turbo open for more air and also i like the look of it. im running a 30r turbo right now but there is so much pluming and i just want to take out some of it but i have to remove the AFM or whatever its call and relocate it by the throttle body

cre 03-30-2011 01:52 AM

Are you deaf or dim? Let me know which and I'll repeat myself at either a slower pace with smaller words or just with all caps....


Oh, let's just get it out of the way and cover both:

IT CAN'T BE DONE RELIABLY!

MA70-3.0GT 03-30-2011 02:05 PM

As above. Might I suggest an Impreza or Evo as an alternative transport arrangement lol.

In all seriousness though if you insist on the "open turbo" you need to convert to either a MAP based ECU or one that uses either a hotwire or vane AFM (bearing in mind that if you are doing this for "more air" that any form of AFM is going to very slightly restrict the intake simply by having to hang it's own form of measuring instrument in the airflow in order to meter it, so the MAP is the more likely option).

Not that the modification is likely to yield any noticeable gain since the turbo can only suck in as much as it's impeller size/angle & rotational speed (plus other design factors) will allow. So to sum up, if I were you & I was looking to increase performance I'd much rather spend my money on measures to (safely) up the boost such as larger turbo, higher flowing injectors, better I/C etc & only once I'd reached the limit of what the AFM based system was useful for would I consider going to a MAP system.

That's just me however & if you really wanna do this just for the noise & look then your money has to go on ditching the AFM for a MAP based system.

P.S. happy holidays cre

My88isGREAT 03-30-2011 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 91supradude (Post 93796)
im not just trying to make the noise thats what i have a BOV for lol.. umm what im trying to do is run the turbo open for more air and also i like the look of it. im running a 30r turbo right now but there is so much pluming and i just want to take out some of it but i have to remove the AFM or whatever its call and relocate it by the throttle body

Stop looking at the open turbos in the Import Tuner mag's thinking these are actual road driven cars... Plus you say there is "so much pluming." Ok, if you have a 7m (assuming you do being a 91 unless you have a jz swap then I am not as knowledgeable) it runs the idle speed controller, factory blow off valve, and positive crank case ventilation... and that is not very much... there are different things you can do with the positive crank case ventilation I have seen and know some about but have not attempted yet. last words, AIR FILTERS ARE MADE FORE A REASON. :nuts:

91supradude 03-30-2011 06:51 PM

well right now im running an lexus AFM and lexus 550 injectors on a t4 turbo. im running 6 LBS of boost. how high can i go before it becomes unsafe or fuel cut off?

Green7mgte 03-30-2011 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 91supradude (Post 93831)
well right now im running an lexus AFM and lexus 550 injectors on a t4 turbo. im running 6 LBS of boost. how high can i go before it becomes unsafe or fuel cut off?

30 is fine. go try it. :x:
or you can take some time and read a few posts. pretty sure its in the faq someplace.

Travis89Turbo 03-30-2011 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by green7mgte (Post 93845)
30 is fine. Go try it. :x:
Or you can take some time and read a few posts. Pretty sure its in the faq someplace.

lmao.........


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