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Old 10-06-2011, 02:31 PM   #1
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Default code 51/ quits when returning to idle

1989 Turbo Targa with automatic transmission. After transmission rebuild and reinstall of engine and transmission, (See other post) the car ran great for 125 miles. Then suddendly at about 70mph started balking and dropped into limp home mode. Initial symptoms indicated possible bad fuel pump. Fuel pump replaced. and No joy....
The intake horn was cleaned during engine refresh of blow-by oil. Because the Turbo uses a Vortex generator, this UNIT SHOULD NEVER BE CLEANED as damage will occur. (Dealer price 700.00) Purchase a used replacement electronics on Ebay. Still not joy. This unit had the black sealer so it was not from a 1989 year car.
Found a local Supra owner who removed his good electronic meter and installed it. The performance improved by still not out of limp home mode. The new valve cover gaskets were leaking because the screw had worked loose. Tightening the gasket screws seems to help the problem. Have removed the Idle Air Control and Throttle Position Sensor for trouble shooting. Will now have to replace the large hose as it broke upon removal. Anyone have a source for pre formed hoses other than the dealer?
Are the IAC and TPS available as aftermarket parts?
All ideas and suggestions are welcome.
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Old 10-08-2011, 05:48 PM   #2
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Every condition which would cause "Limp Mode" should record a code in the ECU or the ECT. Code 52 is the only one that's commonly seen on these cars. The TPS and ISCV will NOT cause the car to go into limp mode, just idle issues and poor throttle transition response. Code 51 only mean that the A/C is on or there's a problem in that circuit OR The throttle is open or there's a problem with the idle switch (IDL) in the TPS.... if you're on the throttle or have the A/C on the code will show up but will clear a few seconds after you get off the throttle or turn off the A/C. Note that you cannot set ignition timing with code 51 (or any other code) present and you MUST make sure to install the diagnostic jumper when doing so. Is the ECT light on or flashing? Any code 52?
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Old 10-19-2011, 07:53 PM   #3
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Default Idle Control Valve ??

Car still operating rich and will not shift out of second gear and engine is being held to less than 2,000 under driving load.
Checked the Throttle Position Sensor TPS and it checks OK. Idle Control Valve ICV is carbonized and used some cleaner on the plunger. Is the plunger suppose to close completely? I can suck air through the port even when closed.
Any sources for replacement parts other than dealer.
The A/C is no longer cooling. It performed well for the time the vehicle was working. I had added a can of freeze 12 then. Non only warm air. Maybe this is the reason for the code 51.

I am looking for a safe way to check the vacuum hose joints. Suggestions. Someone suggested pressurizing the vacuum system at the hose from the carbon canister and applying bubble soap.
Still looking for source for form hoses. Any suggestions are appreciated.
So want to get back in the road again.
Is there a standard reason for tripping into limp home mode?
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Old 01-25-2012, 10:35 PM   #4
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Default Rpm cut back..Blown exhaust header gasket and rich condition???.

Still trying to get the supra back on line... Finally have an inside area with heat to do the work. Update. Car ran great for 120 miles then started cutting out and now will not operate above 2000. I have lost the gasket between the manifold and header I installed new when the engine went back in.
After some effort of multiple tries and seeming more fuel being added with each try the engine will start and seem to go through the normal warm up as required. I suspect that the difficult start is fouled plugs. As the normal operating temp is reached and rpm come back the engine goes through occasional hesitation. I can apply throttle until about 2300 rpm when it acts as though the ignition has been momentarily stopped until it goes back to idle speed. There is a very rich condition and soot is blowing out around the header. I have a replacement gasket ordered.
Can a clogged converter cause enough back pressure to cause a gasket blowout and these issues. The rear exhaust seem to be normal.
If so is there a way to determine converter condition without removing the exhaust again.
What about a bad O2 sensor as the one on the turbo housing. IF it is bad will that create these issues?
All suggestions are appreciated.

I am going to check codes, but expect that I have not been able to operate the engine long enough for the on board diagnostics OBD to make a check.
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A clogged cat is a possibility, especially after a rebuild. I'd test the AFM first. You haven't sprayed the AFM out with any water or cleaners I hope. Also, if you have any error codes present you cannot set the ignition timing... This may account for part of the problematic behavior.

No, a bad O2 sensor will not affect your fuel mixture to this degree. The ECU does not even use the O2 sensor until the vehicle is up to normal operating temps.

Clear any existing codes and see if any new ones are set. Some codes may show immediately if there is a problem with a component such as 24, 31, 41, 51, 52 (these are the more common error codes); A lean condition or rich condition or O2 sensor fault code will not show up until the vehicle is up to operating temp and has been driven. Depending on what the defect is some codes may show up right away or not until later such as AFM related codes like 24 and 31; So if you don't see these right away don't dismiss the AFM as a suspect.
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Default Blown Exhaust header gasket continued.

Thanks Cre for the rapid response. As you can gather, these issues have been ongoing for over 6 months.... See previous post for updates... I actually replaced the AFM module with a used unit, because I too had no clue that cleaning the module would kill it.
Thought originally that that is why the car started these issues after 120 miles, because the new replacement was used, borrowed a functional unit to determine if that is the issue. Very little improvement. Do you know of anyone I may send my unit too for a proper diagnositic of the modules.

This most recent problem with the blow gasket is what makes me believe there is a restriction in the converter. Just do not know how much restriction is required to cause the gasket to blow.
Is there an effective way to determine it the turbo is operating properly. I understand that it lays out unless the vehicle is driven.
My turbo needle is below 0 on the boost gauge.


The gasket arrive just now and I will be jacking the vehicle to remove the header for reinstallation.

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