mk3 supra NA vs. Mitsubishi 3000GT NA
 

Just doing a little bench racing. Want to know how close it would be.

My car- Mk3 supra non-turbo
cat-back exhaust and thats pretty much it
automatic transmission

His car- Mitsubishi 3000GT SL the heavier one, non-turbo
1st gen if it matters
Manual transmission
Intake
Cat-back exhaust
racing clutch

i think im gonna put money on it.

Thank You for all replies!!!

well it says stock it runs a 16.4 in the 1/4 mile. all i know about it.

Just race him and find out. Never driven an auto supra, But my n/a 5sp would beat that mentioned 3000gt, without the clutch. Ex and intake thou. Ive done it.

who;s heavier tho? dont forget our cars are pretty heavy too

but then again, i guess it all comes down to horses, since you both are driving automatics, there not really that much that can go wrong

The 3000GT is a manual i think its actually lighter too. its FWD

EDIT: Looked up the weight for the 3000GT its about 3300lbs it looks like MkIII's are like a little under 3500lbs

So how bad is this for me

The race is gonna be tomorrow and i already agreed to bet $30 on it can i still beat him?

What's a 3000GT SL ?
 

For $30 have fun, but it seems an odd amount to bet and on two non pressure charged cars. But you should get him with just the fluid start and changes they do ( none intended, but it sounds like you're both a bit on the shy side of experianced so he wont make many good shifts. After he's leveled up it'll be closer )

Supra's are not under 3500lbs!!!
 

I work at a landfill, we have a certified and once monthly checked scale here. It's accurate within 20 lbs. I own two MKIII's, and my 5 spd weighed 3700lbs, and my red 88 weighed 3680lbs. I would put money that because he is lighter....he may take you off the line.

We don't have that much money so we are just betting $30.

I have heard that he is a pretty good driver but i have never ridden in his car

Haha I asked him the samething when i saw his car "whats a 3000GT SL"
He said it was the sport luxury model or something. It just has all the "options" on it i guess

Wow who would have thought the 3000GT was that much lighter. I don't understand it we always call them fat pigs but actually their the lighter ones.

Looks like i could be out off $30, dang it

He also said that he has been taking it easy on the launches because he doesn't want to break something so that could give me an advantage.

How are you suppose to launch it just like power-brake it or just floor it as soon as you get the signal?

why do all your supras weigh so much mines down to around 3000lbs right now.

stop thinking negative.. supra's will prevail :D i really dont see him beating you honestly.. supras are quick, even when there n/a. and i really dont think putting on exhaust,intake and a clutch is going to shave 1.2 seconds off in the 1/4 mile to keep up with the supra.maybe he will even miss a gear!! and how fast are you racing up to? let us know when you win.

we will probably just do like a 0-100 maybe a little more. I really don't know i think it will be close.

0-100mph? im pretty sure you'll take him, when are you racing?

I hope your planning on doing this on a reallly long and abandoned road... lol. Drivign next to someone(or almost next to, depending of how much faster the winning car is) at 100 is pretty dam scary/dangerous. I would say if your gona do that just bring him to the closest 1/4mile track. Then you get times too. But otherwise.. I think you should win. 3000gts are over rated. lol.

I did a little reading, The 3g has at least 222 hp. or 218 if its 97+. Thats a slight bit more than the 7mge. But i rode in a 95 3g, an auto, And there was no way it would beat any supra. It was slow as hell. Im not sure about the manual one thou. Just race him, and if you lose, spend a little money and race him again. If you have a radar detector, If he starts winning, slam on your brakes and turn/get in the right lane (whatever) and he will probably do the same. tell him you got some radar ;)

Yeah we are doing it on a really long road. Bad thing is one of us may be driving on the wrong side of the road there arent any 2 lanes without traffic on them and there are tons of roads that are perfectly flat and long as hell so we can tell when people are coming a long ways away. yeah im probably gonna shut down a 100 i don't know about him but if he is winning at 100mph its kinda redicoulous to go that retardedly fast for $30. Closest 1/4mile track is an hour away and it $45 entrance fee

from what i have heard the manuals run about a second faster in the 1/4 cuz the gears are too long in the automatics. the manual 3000gt's 3rd gear tops at a little over 100mph from what he said.

I don't have a radar detector

I think the race will be in a couple hours ill try to post the results

sry bro... but u wont win... my buddy has a 3000gt... i can beat it in my turbo supra but only by 2 1/2 maybe 3 lengths ... kinda rough they got the weight advantage and supras are kinda slow of the line... u might possibly win if he cant shift worth sht... but gl bro... i wouldnt even waiste the $30 its not worth the humiliation

... yea ... better to back down at this stage cos he's so scared of being beaten. Define humiliation ... ?

It's 30 bloody $'s. From a few posts up, you can't get into the quater mile track for $30. And then there's fuel to get there and back. Dude he's actually getting a bargain here. With that post you must never drag. Not worth the ordeal of maybe losing a race. Damn who don't race unless they know they'll win - the only thing worth defeating is the thing that can defeat you, fuck the rest. Don't be impolite and refuse to race tho ...

Yeah i say just race him and fuck it. Better to lose than to not race at all. I dont mind losing. If you lose, your car probably cost a lot less and is a lot older anyway. lol.

hey ok lol watever that guy said about winning by 2 1/2 car lengths..LOL. is he joking? i have my 88 turbo. stock. short shifter only. my buddy has a 3000gt some mods. all bolt on..nothing huge. and yes its stick. and i put him to shame everytime we race. straightaways turns wherever. ive raced him to 130..smoked him..badly. trust me man even with the n/a ull have this. and if there are even any slight bends in the road..better for u. those things are slugs around the turns.. and they catch wind like its there job. u will deffinatly have this race. i say put 60$ down. ill mail u the extra 30 if u lose.

rofl... uve gotta be joking... supra n/a 200 horse weights 310-350lbs more... 3000gt 222 horse and lighter... unless ur buddy is mentaly handycapped u wont beat him in a na if hes na... u got issues bud get some help and stop makin sht up... all i gotta say... enjoy lieville population... you.

P.S. mail the $30 right now so he dont have to wait so long...

I beat one. Easily. I'm N/A. He was about 5-6 carlengths behind me at the end. I was only running off of 5 cylinders at the time. You should get him.

This is y i was running off of 5 cylinders
http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/7292/sparkplug3rt9.jpg

i have never been in a auto supra
but here's my best bet

does the autos have numbers under the D in the shifter,
drop it down to the lowest gear
thats the best way you can launch your car

our cars hav a good launch off the line but the problem is keeping the pace
it does tend to lag during higher speeds especially the n/a

and keep a positive mind
if you keep thnking your gonna lose
you already lost to yourself b4 u even start the car

well.. i saw an auto 3000GT.. with Borla exhaust, K&N Intake, and a racing underdrive pully.. it ran a 16.7 in the 1/4 mile.. or there was another auto 3000gt that had exhaust, intake, underdrive pully.. and also a 55 dry shot of nos, that ran a 15.8? there not that fast.. so obviously that extra 22hp doesnt do much?

Frostburn, Theres a big difference between specs and which car is actually faster. So unless you have raced either car against the other, i would say dont discourage him. Sure, specs help, But there is a lot of variables that you could never calculate on paper. One advantage youll have is the auto launch, and he is front wheel drive. Thats an inate traction advantage right there. Aside from many other things

The guy in the 3000GT was really cool i said i didn't want to race for money anymore and he was kinda disappointed since i made him drive a really long way to get to the road we were gonna race on. He said that was alright and said that he was gonna take it easy and wasn't gonna lauch and some other stuff about differential explosions from hard lauching. we raced on a road with a bump in the middle i picked it because i knew he would take me up top so we only got up to like 60-65 before shutting down. I had a really good launch and took off on him since he pretty much didn't launch it at all but he was already pulling on me by the upper end of 1st gear. He granny shifted it into second and caught up to me at about 45mph then he walked away slowly. My front bumper was at his door at 60ish and he was walking away from me faster. Then we had to slam on the brakes for the bump. We talked for a while and he gave me a ride in it and he is a really good driver he just didn't push it as hard as he could for the race since he doesn't like to beat on it all the time. Told me that he granny shifted second and i know he did cuz he was just messing around and pounded second and spun the tires and he deffinately didn't when we raced. It was soo much fun!!!

All you guys must have raced automatic 3000gt's because this one was definatley faster than an auto supra NA or a stick shift supra NA i have driven both now. I also looked at his odometer and he has almost 152,000miles on it i asked him about it and he says that the engine has never been rebuilt.

Only mods on the 3000GT are cat-back exhaust, open element air filter, ACT 2600 racing clutch. only weight reduction was 1/4 tank of gas and spare tire removed.

I beat a manual 3g, But my car is also manual, Must be the reason. Youd have to actually race him. Our supras dont feel as fast as some cars because the power delivery is very smooth and linear. Like i raced a v6 mercury mystique, Beat it by a bit. I rode in the car beforehand, It feels an assload faster than my supra. I thought for sure i would lose. Against the 3g, I knew you would have an off the line/traction advantage...but the auto does steal a lot of hp :( I can beat them outright thou lol. All stock n/a. There not very fast cars. Cept the vr4s. lol. Just get a few mods, and hes all yours.

the 3000gt comes in the model you raced and the VR4 model. the VR4 models are the faster models. frostburn, the guy you know probably has a VR4

3000GT's actually come in 3 models.

Base-DOHC until the 3g then they were SOHC

SL-Model i raced

VR-4- twin turbo AWD these are the heavy ones but they are really fast.

I looked into getting a 3000gt for a while but they were too expensive and i didn't like FWD

those vr4's are crazy , i saw one dust an evolution by a good 6 lenghts

Still sounds like fun
 

Just too many variables involved to look at 2 charts and say with any credibility what car's faster ( I don't care if you were correct, it's Mr Racer vs Mr Gifted Ameturer ). If he's such a good driver race him again in a few months time after some practice. He sounds cool tho.

Dcrusupra, I'm not sure if you've noticed but that sparkplug looks run through

I REST MY CASE... THANKS FOR LETTING US KNOW HOW IT WENT AND UMM... everyone that talked trash to me can now eat there words... cuz i told u... my buddy has a 3000gt... if u owuld read my past posts... thx

I never talked trash...I was just saying just because the car has better specs and because youve raced other 3gs, doesnt neccesarily mean hell lose. So dont go telling him that. Even thou he did lose, there is a still a change. You can never be certain.

the vr4's are pretty fast. i raced one and lost(new it from the beginning). he got up to 130mph in the 1/4 mile(had a few mods done to it)

i told him he could win if the guy was a horrid driver lol i never said he had no chance... but i know 2 good drivers me and my buddy... i know the out come for

My friend has a manual with an LSD i think im gonna try to get them to race. Should be a better race and im sure the guy in the 3000gt will actually launch it this time. I think the 3000gt may still end up on top tho because i have raced both cars and they won by about the same amount and the guy in 3000gt wasn't trying that hard.

Yes, I like to fuck shit up.

Well that was unpleasant, lol.