7mgte vs 1jz TT vs 2jz TT - Page 2

inline6 turbo · 08-08-2006, 07:46 PM

dats what im scared of..even if i repalce the HG's will it still blow on me if i upgrade the parts and push the horse power your pushing out...and does n e body know how much to convert the 7mgte to a twin set up will cost me..cuz im only 18 and im going to college and money is a lil tight..and i want power buh reliable power...so is my best bet to stay with the 7mgte with just upgrades and if so...can someone list the upgrades i should first do to the engine and tranny plz thank you

inline6 turbo · 08-08-2006, 08:16 PM

hey guys one more major question can the 7mgte hang with the big boys..such as the 2jz and the corvets and mustang and sti's in a drag race cuz if so i think ima save me alot of money and keep the 7mgte and or just go cheap and swap the block for a 3.0 liter and make a ghetto version of a 2jz type set up

kwnate · 08-08-2006, 11:57 PM

500hp 7m is no different then a 500hp 2jz. I was at a huge Suprameet this weekend and only 2 2jz's made more hp then me and the closest 1jz was 150whp behind me.

kwnate · 08-09-2006, 12:01 AM

Build list! Probably forgot a bunch...

Engine Management:
-AEM CPU
-Apexi AVCR
-AEM Wideband

Engine:
-Wiseco .40 forged pistons
-Eagle H beam Rods
-Toyota bearings
-ARP Headstuds, Mainstuds, Rod bolts
-HKS 2mm Metal Headgasket
-Stage 3 Port and polished head
-AEM adjustable cam gears

Induction:
-Custom Short runner Front facing intake manifold
-Q45 88mm Throttle body
-GT 4067R Turbo
-Tial 50mm BOV
-24x12x3.5 Custom intercooler

Drivetrain:
-HPF's Feramic full faced clutch disk w/ RPS 3200lb pressure plate
-Fidanza lightwieght flywheel
-Titan motorsports aluminum drivshaft

Exhaust:
-HPF's tubular manifold
-Tial 44mm wastegate
-3.5" Downpipe, midpipe and test pipe (Stainless)
-HPF's 4" Stainless cat back w/ 4" in/out aeroturbine muffler

Fuel:
-RC 750cc injectors
-LIPP High flow fuel rail
-Aeromotive a1000 external pump
-Aeromotive filters, 10 micron and 100 micron
- -08 line from pump to fuel rail
-Aeromotive FPR

Interior:
-Sparco Torino racing seats
-JZA70 Momo steering wheel

Suspension:
-Tein Flex coilovers
-Tein EDFC (coilover controller)
-Suspension technique sway bars
-JIC rear strut bar
-Cusco Front strut bar

Wheels:
-Racing Hart c4, 18x9f 18x10 r
-Nitto 555, 245/40 f 275/35 r
-94 Supra TT wheels 17x8f 17x9.5 r

Brakes:
-Precision brakes 13" slotted rotors front and rear
-Willwood 4 piston calipers

Other:
-Autometer Cobalt gauges
-Oil pressure
-Fuel pressure
-Boost pressure
-EGT
-Water temp
-Voltmeter
-Fuel level
-HKS turbo timper
-Battery relocated to trunk w/ Jegs aluminum sealed box
-Optima Red top battery
-Earls aluminum oil cooler with -08 lines
-Oil filter relocation kit with -10 stainless braided lines

CzA · 08-09-2006, 12:12 AM

There was a topic not too long ago in a next forum and some one posted this

"WHat i am trying to say is there is NO engine swap that i would reccomend for u. That motor can make alot of power(2j) but your car will always be heavy. If you were to add up the costs of putting a 2jz 3.0 L engine from a mark 4 into your mark 3 supra, you could own a much much better car simply by purchasing a mark 4. What you should be asking yourself is what u want from your car. more power? better handleing? This car was designed as a grand touring auto, and it does that admirably."

I was also told that the bottom end of the 7mgte vs the 2jz is a little stronger stock fo rstock. I was thinking about doing a 2jz swap, but some one told me to just find the top end from a 2j and slap he ron to the bottom end of your 7m.

I guess it all comes down to money, but in the end, the mk3 is still going to be a heavy beast, but we love our heavy beast, so do it up.

Peace.......

kwnate · 08-09-2006, 12:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CzA

I was also told that the bottom end of the 7mgte vs the 2jz is a little stronger stock fo rstock. I was thinking about doing a 2jz swap, but some one told me to just find the top end from a 2j and slap he ron to the bottom end of your 7m.

Peace.......

That is some gross misinformation. A 2j head will not fit a 7m block or vice versa. The 2j's stock bottom end is good into the 700whp range iirc and the 7m is good in to the low 500's as long as its in very good shape.

A 1j head on a 2j bottom end will work. It's refered to as a 1.5jz

j3pz · 08-09-2006, 12:52 AM

nate, buddy, talk to me... how much have you droppped into the car? give me a break down, car, parts, etcs. also what kind of gas mileage does a car of this caliber get? is it your dd? guess not since you put it away for the winters... im sorry im just drooling... so impressive, good job

kwnate · 08-09-2006, 01:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by j3pz

nate, buddy, talk to me... how much have you droppped into the car? give me a break down, car, parts, etcs. also what kind of gas mileage does a car of this caliber get? is it your dd? guess not since you put it away for the winters... im sorry im just drooling... so impressive, good job

Thanks! It's not a daily driver, I haven't tested it for mpg but it isn't bad. I bought the car for $6200 (shoulda talked him down a bit more) but I'm happy with it.

Cost, well lets put it this way, If I wanted a mk4 I coulda had one with plenty to spare... I think I made the right choice

CzA · 08-09-2006, 03:29 AM

Well i guess the swap biz is false. I dont know what the deal is with how much a 2jz can take, i just been told by several people that bottom end vs bottom end the 7m's is better. I would love to have the stats form your car, but if its going to run me $$$ to the point i can get a mk4, i might have to start saving

Peace.......

inline6 turbo · 08-09-2006, 04:44 AM

thanx guys...with all this talk and nate's car pushing all that damn power.. i think im safer with just fixing the HG's and sticking with the 7mgte and just building it up beyond my own belief and letting the become a black whole were my parents will slap me sill and yell at me for not just buying a new car...cuz im into track racing and drag and drift buh i just wonder will a swap gasket hold down the power i wanna push its around 650to700 and i want it DD...i know gas will kill me cuz here in LBC 91 gas is 3.40 or so depends as always...thanx alot guys the 7mgte sounds way better now and wayway WAAAAYYYY cheaper then a swap

08-08-2006, 11:57 PM	#13
kwnate SP58GT Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: USA Posts: 633	500hp 7m is no different then a 500hp 2jz. I was at a huge Suprameet this weekend and only 2 2jz's made more hp then me and the closest 1jz was 150whp behind me. __________________ Nate

08-09-2006, 12:01 AM	#14
kwnate SP58GT Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: USA Posts: 633	Build list! Probably forgot a bunch... Engine Management: -AEM CPU -Apexi AVCR -AEM Wideband Engine: -Wiseco .40 forged pistons -Eagle H beam Rods -Toyota bearings -ARP Headstuds, Mainstuds, Rod bolts -HKS 2mm Metal Headgasket -Stage 3 Port and polished head -AEM adjustable cam gears Induction: -Custom Short runner Front facing intake manifold -Q45 88mm Throttle body -GT 4067R Turbo -Tial 50mm BOV -24x12x3.5 Custom intercooler Drivetrain: -HPF's Feramic full faced clutch disk w/ RPS 3200lb pressure plate -Fidanza lightwieght flywheel -Titan motorsports aluminum drivshaft Exhaust: -HPF's tubular manifold -Tial 44mm wastegate -3.5" Downpipe, midpipe and test pipe (Stainless) -HPF's 4" Stainless cat back w/ 4" in/out aeroturbine muffler Fuel: -RC 750cc injectors -LIPP High flow fuel rail -Aeromotive a1000 external pump -Aeromotive filters, 10 micron and 100 micron - -08 line from pump to fuel rail -Aeromotive FPR Interior: -Sparco Torino racing seats -JZA70 Momo steering wheel Suspension: -Tein Flex coilovers -Tein EDFC (coilover controller) -Suspension technique sway bars -JIC rear strut bar -Cusco Front strut bar Wheels: -Racing Hart c4, 18x9f 18x10 r -Nitto 555, 245/40 f 275/35 r -94 Supra TT wheels 17x8f 17x9.5 r Brakes: -Precision brakes 13" slotted rotors front and rear -Willwood 4 piston calipers Other: -Autometer Cobalt gauges -Oil pressure -Fuel pressure -Boost pressure -EGT -Water temp -Voltmeter -Fuel level -HKS turbo timper -Battery relocated to trunk w/ Jegs aluminum sealed box -Optima Red top battery -Earls aluminum oil cooler with -08 lines -Oil filter relocation kit with -10 stainless braided lines __________________ Nate

08-09-2006, 12:12 AM	#15
CzA Stock Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 17	There was a topic not too long ago in a next forum and some one posted this "WHat i am trying to say is there is NO engine swap that i would reccomend for u. That motor can make alot of power(2j) but your car will always be heavy. If you were to add up the costs of putting a 2jz 3.0 L engine from a mark 4 into your mark 3 supra, you could own a much much better car simply by purchasing a mark 4. What you should be asking yourself is what u want from your car. more power? better handleing? This car was designed as a grand touring auto, and it does that admirably." I was also told that the bottom end of the 7mgte vs the 2jz is a little stronger stock fo rstock. I was thinking about doing a 2jz swap, but some one told me to just find the top end from a 2j and slap he ron to the bottom end of your 7m. I guess it all comes down to money, but in the end, the mk3 is still going to be a heavy beast, but we love our heavy beast, so do it up. Peace....... Last edited by CzA; 08-09-2006 at 12:15 AM.

08-09-2006, 12:52 AM	#17
j3pz 500whp yet? Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Mechanicsville, MD, US of A, 20659 Posts: 1,060	nate, buddy, talk to me... how much have you droppped into the car? give me a break down, car, parts, etcs. also what kind of gas mileage does a car of this caliber get? is it your dd? guess not since you put it away for the winters... im sorry im just drooling... so impressive, good job __________________ 88 N/A w/ 5spd - stock - not running, bhg 87 turbo/targa w/ 5spd- fidanza light weight flywheel, new oem slave cylinder, apexi air filter, no ac and no heat

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08-08-2006, 07:46 PM	#11
inline6 turbo Stock Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: long beach Posts: 16	dats what im scared of..even if i repalce the HG's will it still blow on me if i upgrade the parts and push the horse power your pushing out...and does n e body know how much to convert the 7mgte to a twin set up will cost me..cuz im only 18 and im going to college and money is a lil tight..and i want power buh reliable power...so is my best bet to stay with the 7mgte with just upgrades and if so...can someone list the upgrades i should first do to the engine and tranny plz thank you

08-08-2006, 08:16 PM	#12
inline6 turbo Stock Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: long beach Posts: 16	hey guys one more major question can the 7mgte hang with the big boys..such as the 2jz and the corvets and mustang and sti's in a drag race cuz if so i think ima save me alot of money and keep the 7mgte and or just go cheap and swap the block for a 3.0 liter and make a ghetto version of a 2jz type set up

08-09-2006, 03:29 AM	#19
CzA Stock Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 17	Well i guess the swap biz is false. I dont know what the deal is with how much a 2jz can take, i just been told by several people that bottom end vs bottom end the 7m's is better. I would love to have the stats form your car, but if its going to run me $$$ to the point i can get a mk4, i might have to start saving Peace.......

08-09-2006, 04:44 AM	#20
inline6 turbo Stock Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: long beach Posts: 16	thanx guys...with all this talk and nate's car pushing all that damn power.. i think im safer with just fixing the HG's and sticking with the 7mgte and just building it up beyond my own belief and letting the become a black whole were my parents will slap me sill and yell at me for not just buying a new car...cuz im into track racing and drag and drift buh i just wonder will a swap gasket hold down the power i wanna push its around 650to700 and i want it DD...i know gas will kill me cuz here in LBC 91 gas is 3.40 or so depends as always...thanx alot guys the 7mgte sounds way better now and wayway WAAAAYYYY cheaper then a swap