WHICH IS BETTER 3000GT OR MKiii
 

ok i love supras to death...but i cant afford all this repair so im thinking of just going after a 3000gt buh i know how heavey they both are buh which one in the long run will give me the power i want all the time and the resepct of just poeple seeing ur car and fearing it

The 3000GT, and the Nissan 300ZX parts are more expensive. And these cars have just as many problems as a MKIII.

ie: 300zx Injector is $330 list at Carquest. Putting it in is a WHOLE lot of work. MKIII list is $260.

Remember....most of these cars are old, and have been pushed hard at times.

True, you may find any of these cars that were owned by someone who hardly drove it, and may be in really great condition.

I do know that a modded 3000GT twin turbo will 'kick ass' on a modded MKIII.

I own an MKIII and love driving it every day. BUT....when I was selling cars at the Dodge dealer back in '99, a guy traded in a 3KGT. I 'test drove' it up on the freeway. I always watch the tach, and stay about 500rpm below redline (I don't want to break 'em.

When getting on the freeway, I went to shift into 3rd just below redline, and glanced at the speedo.............

90 mph. WTF ??? I started looking for cops. The car had 6sp manual.

I took it right back. I knew I would NOT be able to contain myself it I continued to drive it.

As a salesman, and a tech for ever, I've driven many, many cars, Corvettes (stock and heavily modded), Mercedes, Fiats, MKIVs, Porsches, all the Jap makes, BMWs etc.

A 3KGT TT is a bad ass car for the $$$.

But look for something VERY clean, and low mileage.

Car insurance will be higher on the 3KGT.

Maybe on your modded NA auto...

If you want something reliable by a new car. Any 15 year old option is going to have its issues.

isnt the 3000gt more money than a MKIII, especially the VR4

and yes the vr4 does 'kick ass' on a 7mgte supra.....i've personally experienced it

$$$ = speed.
 

I do know that a modded 3000GT twin turbo will 'kick ass' on a modded MKIII.

[QUOTE=kwnate]Maybe on your modded NA auto...QUOTE]

I meant, ANY modded MKIII.

As I posted earlier...and this is a true story...

....when I was selling cars at the Dodge dealer back in '99, a guy traded in a 3KGT. I 'test drove' it up on the freeway. I always watch the tach, and stay about 500rpm below redline (I don't want to break 'em.

When getting on the freeway, I went to shift into 3rd just below redline, and glanced at the speedo.............

90 mph. WTF ??? .......

I was doing 90mph just below redline...in 2nd gear....!!!!

I think the car was a 1995 or 96. We gave him $19k trade-in. The car sold that week for $31k.(it wasn't me. darn it, fat commission)

I love my MKIII, and can afford it fine. But some people have lots of $$ to put onto a car, and if going insanely fast is what you want, an MKIII is not it.

To me its about enough power and handling to have fun on the mtn roads, and a really good looking car. To others its about a drag race feeling.

It all comes down to $$$, and how much thrill you can get for it.

Thats the stupidest comment I've read on this forum to date and there is a lot of stupid shit being said on here...

ok lets review waht this idiot just said...if u have lots of money and want to go fast..a supra inst for u..hmm ok moron for 1 a supra turbo is fats newer older, they r fast. 2nd of all u said if u have money. a supra can beat a ferarri f50 if u have enough money into it u idiot.

sry about bein in a bad mood just got out of work and the boss was an a-hole do not mean to be offensive

What the hel do you mean that if you want to go fast than an MKIII isn't for you? BULLSHIT! It might not be the greatest coming of the line but dammit you'll beat alot of cars in top end. I know my buddie 95 Mustang GT and I raced, of course he beat me off the line but at the mile I caught up and beat him by the nose. And my MKIII is ntirely stock with the exception of the cone filter and (at the time) a gutted cat. So no offense your wrong in thismatter bud.

seems a few people forgot he's a moderator here. lol. but with that logic, a geo metro could beat anything if you put enough money into it.

No i didn't I have no intent on disrespect but he is wrong.
True but I meant even with the MKIII as fairly stock.

BWHAHAHA. Calm down there speed racer. I have the heaviest non turbo 3S and I can beat my friend's 87 Turbo pretty good. Although obviously his has 200k on it...Please don't talk when you don't know what you're talking about, the VR4/Stealth TTs run mid-high 13s bone stock, intake, mbc, exhaust = 12s.

LOL, this made me crack up. 3000GTs' repairs fucking suck. They break so much its retarded....everything on my NA seems to have broken once. As far as weight, they weigh 3800lbs. not too far off from the Supra's 3500. If you can't "afford repairs" then don't get a 3000GT. Everything for them is expensive, they break a lot (t-case lockups/tranny synchros/spun bearings/timing component faliures etc.), and you don't sound too mechanically inclined, so don't even think about buying one unless you plan on spending an assload of money to get it running right. Finding a shop that even knows what they're doing is hard also, most Mitsu dealers don't know shit. Only thing good about owning my NA is how much it taught me to work on cars because of when it would break when I'd be broke and I'd fix it myself since I had no cash lol.

Good things = The styling is way ahead of its time, its a lot faster, throw bigger turbos on it (say 13gs) with supporting mods and you have an 11 second 400+whp street car in 100% street trim :) If you want a "nice" car that can beat most on the street than go for it, but its not exactly a good track car as its handling its not the best.

I have a friend that has both and says they're both good at what they do because the Supra is more fun to drive sometimes b/c of RWD, but the VR4 is fast and fun because the AWD pins you back in your seat.

I like my friend's Supra because its sooooooo easy to work on compared to my Stealth (TTs are harder to work on) but I dunno which one I'd pick...

3S = Nicer interior, nicer exterior, faster, shit breaks, expensive parts, hard to work on, higher value.

My only general maintance complaint about the supra is about changing the damn spark plugs. What a pain in the ass. Well maybe not. Just time consuming...and having to pull off all those damn parts off thetop of the engine. other than that I wouldnt trade my suprafor anything in the world. Except maybe two supras :-)

Its a piece of cake compared to a plug/wire job on a 3S...

Next time read the entire thread...

I will have no problem beating your non turbo or a vr4 with a lot of mods.

I dont know anything, youre right...

LOL, dude, calm the fuck down. Do you seriously think you're the fastest damn car in the world? Go to 3SI and post a thread please, I'm sure one the 10 second 3S's would gladly meet up and rape your mad tyte s00pruh!!1 Good luck getting traction LOL.

Yes, my car is the fastest in the world. Not even close, its not the fastest mk3 supra.

Would you agree that there are certain supras that can beat certain vr4's?

If so read my previous post from top to bottom and you'll realize what a jackass youre being.

If you disagree, then you are a fucking moron.

Ok, now your first two sentences make me want to stop reading your post...

Yezsir. Modded, assuming it means that both cars are modded the same amount, a 3S would win. Intake/MBC/Exhaust, on both cars, 3S wins.

Who said anything about the same mods?

Stock vs Stock, vr4 wins

Same mods vr4 wins

My car vs. your piece, supra wins.

Not that hard

HAHA. Sorry, I thought an MKIII Supra owner would be the last type of owner calling a Stealth a "piece", LOL. Look at your interior and look at a 3S's. Look at your car and look at a 3S, sorry but "piece" isn't really the right word. Its common sense that by "modded" he would mean the same mods unless hes specified that one car has more.

/me slaps forehead. How retarded. No offense guys but does it really make a diffrence I mean after all we are all part of the car modding world. We are here to help one another not badger eachother. So both of you shut the hell up not. Neither of you is better than the other. And Mr Stealth guy. If you are a stealth modder go hang out in the stealth forums. This is a supra forum.

Aw, this was a rly rly nice post :(

dude, you're slapping yourself in the head. You're calling us retarded? This is a Supra forum, and the topic is about a 3S. Please use better vocabulary ("stealth modder") and you might just get taken seriously. LOL

#1 wtf is a 3S? #2 im pretty sure u wont find a 1990 vr4 seeign as tahts around the year we r comparing the "almighty" vr4 too. if u want to take ur year car..lets say a 1994 vr4. then we would pin it up against our 94 model. a supra tt. hmm now lets see
im pretty sure our 94 supra tt wuld win. bothe being compl stock or heavily modded the same extent. and 3g's r so ugly. hey u 3000gt nice square ass. k bye

Sorry I only have about two years speaking and writing english, I am actually German so forgive the mistakes. It's not that I think that you are retarded I think the arguement was. Much apologies.

Knowledge works.
 

[I love my MKIII, and can afford it fine. But some people have lots of $$ to put onto a car, and if going insanely fast is what you want, an MKIII is not it.]

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I'm talking...INSANELY fast. Apparently you have not gone 180, 200, or 230 mph in a drag car. Its a RUSH !!!

Also...
http://auto.consumerguide.com/Auto/U...arreviewspecs/

Stock specs of the 3kgt

All 3000GTs from 1991 to 1996 used a 3.0-liter V6 engine with dual-overhead camshafts. A normally aspirated version went into base and midrange models, developing 222 horsepower (218 in '97). The hottest model, the VR-4, got a twin-turbo rendition that made 300 horsepower (increased to 320 for 1994)

Stock ...MKIII...N/A = 200hp....Turbo = 230hp.

Like I said, I love my car, and plan on keeping it for a very long time. Its a pleasure to drive.

But, as you may have (or not) noticed, I NEVER have to swear, or call anyone an idiot. Those ways of communication speak "volumes" about the knowledge, age, and experience of the speaker.

I just have lots of car experience....40 years to be precise.

And I have lots of experience researching the facts, too.

Well put mrnickleye, hopefully this issue is now put to rest, and hopefully something will be learned from you statement about communication. While reading this post I kept expecting to see Ya, well my dad could beat up your dad, because that is about the age level this thread reminded me of.

Dude...you had to be joking when you said this. You sound like my 13 year old sister when shes trying to make fun of someone. I won't believe you if you said you were serious...I simply have no explanation for this behavior coming from someone whose old enough to drive.

And if you're basically comparing Toyota to Mitsu I would obviously go for the MKIV Supra simply becuase of power + handling vs. (eh) power + no handling. The threadstarter is comparing MKIIIs to VR4s/Stealths.

The VR4 is not really "almighty"...a lot of members on 3SI have projects that had just went to shit because they would rebuild a motor and spin a bearing in 5000 miles, or go from NA to TT and spin a bearing...not to mention the cars handle like ass. Obviously now if you want to go fast only in a straight line you're better off getting a 5.0 or T/A unless you're really into the cars...

3S = 3000GT/Stealth.
3SI = 3000GT/Stealth International = 3SI/org, the message board.

Once again...you can't be serious.

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...owwwwn/142.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...n/100_1303.jpg

Uh...

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...29_16_full.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...n/100_1278.jpg

Not like I'm making fun of the cars...damn. I like them just becuase no one knows what the hell they are. Rather drive that than some swapped Honda I see 10 times a day...

So this whole time we were talking about drag cars? Thats cool, you've gone really fast in a drag car. We are talking about street cars, 3000gt vs mk3. Either car can win, it all comes down to driver and hp. Hp can be made in a mk3 just like any other car.

Thats all common knowledge, I'm glad you were able to find that through your research. Stock values don't matter as we were talking about modded cars. Like I said before, stock vs stock the vr4 wins.

once again you're comparing a car in the year 1986/1987 to a car in the mid '90's...of course the stealth is gonna look more appealing to some people driving down the road and in the cockpit. newer technology.... take the mid 1990 supra vs the mid 1990 stealth and see what you get as in looks wise. the supra looks a lot better i know.


i also believe the threadstarter was interested in mkiii's or 3000gts, NOT stealths.

Doesnt matter. The 3kgt and the stealth are pretty much the same cars in their own respects. And I'm pretty sure he posted those pics to show similarity. They used to call the MKIIIs a Toyota 3000gt in Japan. Makes you think doesnt it? It looks like a newer body and interior style of a MKIII. Except AWD or FWD.

Better to meditate or have a beer before posting
 

As I said to kwnate......

Like I said, I love my car, and plan on keeping it for a very long time. Its a pleasure to drive.

But, as you may have (or not) noticed, I NEVER have to swear, or call anyone an idiot. Those ways of communication speak "volumes" about the knowledge, age, and experience of the speaker.

I just have lots of car experience....40 years to be precise.

And I have lots of experience researching the facts, too.

And....we are talking about MKIIIs, not MKIVs.

MKIIIs vs

F50 Ferrari ??
Specs (The 4.7litre V12 engine was tuned to generate around 750bhp, stock)
Engine type: 4.7 L (4699 cc/286 in?) V12
Bore: 85 mm (3.30 in)
Stroke: 69 mm (2.72 in)
Power: 513 hp (383 kW) at 8500 rpm
Torque: 347 ft·lbf (470 N·m) at 6500 rpm
Wheelbase: 2581 mm (101.6 in)
Length: 4481 mm (176.4 in)
Height: 1120 mm (44.1 in)
Width: 1986 mm (78.2 in)
Curb weight: 1229 kg (2710 lb)
Top speed: 325 km/h (202 mph)
0-60 mph (97 km/h): 3.7 s
1-100 mph (161 km/h): 7.2 s
1/4 mile: 11.1 s

And the mods we are discussing are HP increase mods, so 1/4 mile times are very relevant to HP mods.

Your followup post was...."sry about bein in a bad mood just got out of work and the boss was an a-hole do not mean to be offensive"........

I don't get offended. I know what I know.

And...I don't even like the 3kgt...its a pain to get in & out of.

But I would have the F50 because it 'looks' so kool.

nice and scary numbers done by the ferarri

i know our car can achieve goals thats almost impossible
but a ferrari?
we jus gotta be realistic here
one thing i wanna know tho

has any mk3 supras, demolishd a corvette in a race?
thats one thing i really would love to see

farrari might be stretching it...far.

the f50 was designed to race. and for the track. you might have a hard time beating one.

lots of power and light

i said vette

0-60 times
 

Here

http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com/...990/index.html

I have driven many corvettes, from a 1955, to a 2004, and they all are fun. They 'feel' fast, even if if you get beat.
I don't like getting in and out as a daily driver.

http://www.albeedigital.com/supercou...0-60times.html

Wow, its really amazing how pussy hurt you guys get over this. I know its an older car vs. a newer car. I never said that Toyota sucks at making cars, I'm simply showing how much nicer a 3S is than an MKIII. Meaning its in an entirely different class.

And no, I am not comparing it to a car made in the mid 90s. My car was made in 92, and a 91 Stealth would look the exact same way. You're not really helping yourself by saying he was talking about 3000GTs, as the first gen 3000GT looks much more aggressive and exotic compared to a first gen Stealth. The interiors are identical.

:rofl: Truuue that.

"Rather drive that than some swapped Honda I see 10 times a day..."

come on, lets keep hondas out of this, they are good cars. They have good numbers on them, only flaw is FWD. If they were RWD, then, you could do a nice vs match with them. Even still with fwd you can (more so on the integras (honda owned)). I like the mk3 and think for what it does, it's a great car.

PEace...........

I never really said they were bad cars. I almost gave up on the old sports car phase and bought a B16 EG. Good gas mileage/power/handling/reliability/easy to work on/easy to find parts for/cheap parts etcc...its like cheating. I've always been into the older sports cars and cars that you don't see 10 times in a meet or driving around daily. I don't like to go to meets and see the same cars over and over, I wish people would have more taste and stick with sports cars. Originality means a lot to me, but maybe I'm just wierd with cars :dunno: