Which is the better buy?

tone loc · 10-28-2006, 04:59 AM

i got dibs on the turbo supra in chicago!!!!
jk
how far away are you from chicago 2jz? is it the one that has white on white trim?

Isphius · 10-28-2006, 06:14 AM

Aside from fun factor, You guys are forgetting to ask him a few questions. First, What are you doing with this car? Driving it every day, restoring it, driving it sometimes, putting it in a garage, etc. If your going to get a daily driver, Def go with the n/a. Less miles wil mean less parts to buy, asde from just the headgasket. 2nd, The n/a is much easier to work on. The electronics and mechanical aspect are much simpler. If you want a project car or something to mod the crap out of, go for the turbo. You will spend a lot more on it, But it will be much faster in the end. 3rd - The n/a will get much better gas mileage and wont use up oil, spark plugs, etc as much, And turbos need premium fuel. Something else you want to consider if you are going to be driving a lot. I have owned both an 88 turbo auto, And a black n/a 5 speed. The n/a was by far easier to work on, And more reliable. It had 200k miles on it with a leaking HG and it still ran beautiful. Cold starts, Hot starts, Long miles, It did it all. My turbo, Has a crapped out CPS, Bad coil pack, Blown its HG, and has a few boost leaks that i cant track down, And it only has 82k miles on it. It also has a transmission leak (auto), But this is unrelated to it being a turbo. I believe it is just the transmission cooler lines. So in summary, Turbo for a project car/fast car, And n/a for reliability, gas mileage, And ease of use.

XtreeX · 10-28-2006, 01:59 PM

I paid $1700 cash for my 87' Turbo 5-speed (non-turbo) and it still needed a head gasket. I replaced the timing belt and water pump while I was down there. After taxes for the repair I paid around $1400, with labor. So I see it as $3100 for the car. It has a few rust spots, but not through the metal yet and still on the surface. Interior is absolutely MINT condition. Engine bay is relatively clean, only problem now would be the exterior.

I would say $2000 for a turbo is a LITTLE on the low side, especially if the head gasket was just replaced. Deffinetly check into it further...

I also use this car as a daily driver. If driven responsibly I believe any car can handle being driven everyday. If you burnout at every stop and drift around corners (lol, i do sometimes) then obvisouly the reliability factor will go down. But lets be serious, who buys turbo (other than TDIs) and doesn't want to go fast?? LOL!

2JZEFINI-17 · 10-28-2006, 06:53 PM

I just got back from the test drive. The car boosted to 10 psi flawlessly, engine pulled hard. Car is pretty low the ground. Good tread on tires(comes with a set of winter tires). The interior impressed me the most. The interior is close to mint. Drove the car for about 10 min and let it idle for about 20. No smoke out the exhaust even under WOT. Shifter bushings might need replacing soon. A/F gauge needs to be hooked up. And its a targa! The downside of the whole car is the rust. I am hoping to buy the car on tuesday. I am willing to pay around $800 for body repairs. After the body is fixed I think that it will be an awsome ride. I am planning on doing divorced downpipe and a Super sequential blowoff valve. Since its mostly a daily I am not looking for to much speed. I plan on replacing the Head gasket with an aftermarket head gasket later this summer. Hopefully he will sell me his car I really like it and will enjoy it very much.

rnoswal · 10-29-2006, 05:23 AM

Everything is twice as expensive in California compared to most other places. I have found that many sellers of these MK111's just don't want to mess with a 20 year old car, so they sell cheap. Of course that means that it may not have been properly maintained, but surprisingly a lot of them have been. So if you can buy for cheap and it runs great and, if you can get someone who knows something about cars to look at it and give an honest opinion, I would go for the turbo.

Let us know how it goes.

Russ

ravenmaster · 10-29-2006, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XtreeX

I paid $1700 cash for my 87' Turbo 5-speed (non-turbo)

HUH? Uh could you ex-plain that?

ravenmaster · 10-29-2006, 03:24 PM

and also glad to hear about your test ride but my suggestion (This is if you live in a state that requires smog testing ES_PECIALLY CALI) get the car smog tested before the money is handed over. It is actually the -previous owners reponsibility but my cars previous owner mysteriously disa-peared after selling me mine. Turns out he removed the EGR system, (as well as alot of other stuff), and the cat was a -piece of junk. So tell the guy
"Hey if it passes smog ill pay for the smog and pay you on the spot for the car, but if it doesn't I will still pay for the test and de-pending on what the Smog tech says what the -problem is and depending on what it would cost to make the car -pass will determine if I will buy the car."
(I.E. If it's just an oxygen sensor issue, thats not ex-pemsive OR difficult, However if it isthat the whole egr system is gone that IS an exp-ensive fix even if you do it yourself and only use -parts from the junkyard, I did mine myself and not only is it a pain it is time consuming and the junkers know how valuable the system is and will still charge you less than new -parts but it wont be chea-p. Ebayers do too (and some -parts are hard to find, when I was looking for my BVSV valve There were only two on there.

XtreeX · 11-03-2006, 06:19 PM

Sorry must've had a brain fart... didn't mean to type the (non-turbo) because it is turbo

10-28-2006, 06:14 AM	#2
Isphius 500whp yet? Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Long branch, NJ Posts: 1,006	Aside from fun factor, You guys are forgetting to ask him a few questions. First, What are you doing with this car? Driving it every day, restoring it, driving it sometimes, putting it in a garage, etc. If your going to get a daily driver, Def go with the n/a. Less miles wil mean less parts to buy, asde from just the headgasket. 2nd, The n/a is much easier to work on. The electronics and mechanical aspect are much simpler. If you want a project car or something to mod the crap out of, go for the turbo. You will spend a lot more on it, But it will be much faster in the end. 3rd - The n/a will get much better gas mileage and wont use up oil, spark plugs, etc as much, And turbos need premium fuel. Something else you want to consider if you are going to be driving a lot. I have owned both an 88 turbo auto, And a black n/a 5 speed. The n/a was by far easier to work on, And more reliable. It had 200k miles on it with a leaking HG and it still ran beautiful. Cold starts, Hot starts, Long miles, It did it all. My turbo, Has a crapped out CPS, Bad coil pack, Blown its HG, and has a few boost leaks that i cant track down, And it only has 82k miles on it. It also has a transmission leak (auto), But this is unrelated to it being a turbo. I believe it is just the transmission cooler lines. So in summary, Turbo for a project car/fast car, And n/a for reliability, gas mileage, And ease of use. __________________ Yay the supra assistant is gone!!! WEEE!!

10-28-2006, 01:59 PM	#3
XtreeX 3" Exhaust Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Rockford, IL Posts: 92	I paid $1700 cash for my 87' Turbo 5-speed (non-turbo) and it still needed a head gasket. I replaced the timing belt and water pump while I was down there. After taxes for the repair I paid around $1400, with labor. So I see it as $3100 for the car. It has a few rust spots, but not through the metal yet and still on the surface. Interior is absolutely MINT condition. Engine bay is relatively clean, only problem now would be the exterior. I would say $2000 for a turbo is a LITTLE on the low side, especially if the head gasket was just replaced. Deffinetly check into it further... I also use this car as a daily driver. If driven responsibly I believe any car can handle being driven everyday. If you burnout at every stop and drift around corners (lol, i do sometimes) then obvisouly the reliability factor will go down. But lets be serious, who buys turbo (other than TDIs) and doesn't want to go fast?? LOL! Last edited by XtreeX; 10-28-2006 at 02:02 PM.

10-28-2006, 06:53 PM	#4
2JZEFINI-17 3" Exhaust Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: IL Posts: 66	Just drove the supra.. I just got back from the test drive. The car boosted to 10 psi flawlessly, engine pulled hard. Car is pretty low the ground. Good tread on tires(comes with a set of winter tires). The interior impressed me the most. The interior is close to mint. Drove the car for about 10 min and let it idle for about 20. No smoke out the exhaust even under WOT. Shifter bushings might need replacing soon. A/F gauge needs to be hooked up. And its a targa! The downside of the whole car is the rust. I am hoping to buy the car on tuesday. I am willing to pay around $800 for body repairs. After the body is fixed I think that it will be an awsome ride. I am planning on doing divorced downpipe and a Super sequential blowoff valve. Since its mostly a daily I am not looking for to much speed. I plan on replacing the Head gasket with an aftermarket head gasket later this summer. Hopefully he will sell me his car I really like it and will enjoy it very much.

10-28-2006, 04:59 AM	#1
tone loc 20psi boost Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 706	i got dibs on the turbo supra in chicago!!!! jk how far away are you from chicago 2jz? is it the one that has white on white trim?

10-29-2006, 05:23 AM	#5
rnoswal Lexus & 550's Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Bossier City LA Posts: 556	Everything is twice as expensive in California compared to most other places. I have found that many sellers of these MK111's just don't want to mess with a 20 year old car, so they sell cheap. Of course that means that it may not have been properly maintained, but surprisingly a lot of them have been. So if you can buy for cheap and it runs great and, if you can get someone who knows something about cars to look at it and give an honest opinion, I would go for the turbo. Let us know how it goes. Russ

11-03-2006, 06:19 PM	#8
XtreeX 3" Exhaust Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Rockford, IL Posts: 92	Sorry must've had a brain fart... didn't mean to type the (non-turbo) because it is turbo