Age doesn't matter. It's experience that counts. If you really want to know just look in my profile.

They are "harder" because when the studs are installed in the block and the block is installed in the car, the head will not clear the firewall. And vice versa, if you wanted to take the head off with ARP studs installed with the block in the car you won't be able to. You would have to pull the motor to take the head off if you use ARP studs. You can try to install the studs after you fit the head on the dowel pins on the block. ARP studs might or might not have a small allen hole in the top of the stud to allow you to install the stud with the head in place. Some do, like my friends EVO. He installed ARP head studs and they had an allen wrench hole.

I hope you understand what I'm trying to say.

i am, but how od u torque an allen head to 80lbs/ft2

you have to get an allen socket. I would recommend somthing like a snap on socket so you dont take a chance of stripping out the bolt head.

First of all, if you've been reading my blown head gasket post, ARP bolts are 12 point 1/2" socket size. Stock head bolts use the 10mm allen head socket. And obivously the ARP stud nuts would not be allen head. So if you are reusing the stock bolts or using new stock bolts then you will need a 10mm allen head 3/8" drive socket. I bought one for $4.65 from NAPA and it fit perfectly. If you are using ARP bolts then you will need a 1/2", 12 point, 3/8" drive, shallow socket. I bought one at NAPA for $2.99 and it fits perfectly. The only thing Snap-on I'd suggest is their 3/8" drive digital torque wrench.

im not doin bolts, im goin studs

Then why are you asking how to torque allen head bolts?

And if you don't know how to torque allen head bolts I highly suggest you let a professional work on your vehicle.

I can just see you now trying to remove the stock head bolts with an allen wrench.

And if you are asking how to torque an ARP head stud with an allen hole, the answer is you don't. I feel like I'm talking to a wall but I'll repeat myself once again.

A stud should be installed in a relaxed mode, never crank it in tightly using a jammed nut. The stud should be installed finger tight.

In your case I was suggesting you use an allen wrench to INSTALL the stud with the head lined up on the dowel pins. Try fitting your fingers down in the head enough to turn the studs, not happening. So you "SIMULATE" using your fingers by using an allen wrench to "THREAD" the stud into the block.

thank u that all i needed to know. i thought u torques the stud into the block. my mistake.

Your welcome. Sorry I'm sounding kind of harsh.

If I was done with my car, I'd come up and give you a hand with yours seeing as you are not that far away.

yea sorry just wasnt readin them, but ill start this once the weathers nice, im puttin my new bumbper on today. i got a 91 bumper for it. itsp primed right now and looks sexy as hell lol.