Cobra Guys dissin Supra TT

[Greglatta]

Originally Posted by pwpanas

Ok, pick one...any full production car from the early '90s that sold for under $100K.

1998 chevrolet camaro z28 330 hp $17,000 brand new

[pwpanas]

Originally Posted by Greglatta

1998 chevrolet camaro z28 330 hp $17,000 brand new

Not exactly from the *eary* '90s, but just for fun let's use it to compare: You're saying this '98 camaro z28, modded, could put an Mkiv Supra Turbo, modded, "to shame" on a roadrace track? If so, what would you present as a basis for that assertion?

[Greglatta]

Originally Posted by pwpanas

Not exactly from the *eary* '90s, but just for fun let's use it to compare: You're saying this '98 camaro z28, modded, could put an Mkiv Supra Turbo, modded, "to shame" on a roadrace track? If so, what would you present as a basis for that assertion?

toyota still produced supra in 1998 did they not, it could be faster and its cheaper to

[twin]

i don't see the point of all this debate.

i like mustangs, and camaros because their's lots of potential for these cars at the track. they're fast, powerful, and competitively priced.

but a supra is a supra. it's slick.

i personally don't like japanese automobiles, but i do like the supra because of it's overall value in the market. they're very appealing. but i would have to agree, dollar for dollar japanese automobiles don't stand a chance in a race...

the 98 cobra is fast, but i'll take a supra with zero miles on the odometer over ten of those anyday.

[pwpanas]

Originally Posted by Greglatta

toyota still produced supra in 1998 did they not, it could be faster and its cheaper to

Let's follow the ball here. Are you saying that a '98 camaro z28, modded, could put an Mkiv Supra Turbo, modded, "to shame" on a roadrace track? If so, please present your basis for that assertion.

[2jpowered]

race cars:
7:01 --- 176.152 km/h -- Manthey Porsche GT3 race car, 493 PS (AutoBild 06/04), www.manthey-motors.de/nextshopcms/cmspdf.asp?id=217
7:10 --- 173.100 km/h -- BMW M3 GTR, 450 PS/1350 kg, Joerg Mueller (practice 24hrs race 03)
7:12.25 173.500 km/h -- Schnitzer BMW M3 GTR, Dirk Mueller, 24hrs race practice (02)
7:20* -- 168.545 km/h -- Opel Astra DTM V8 Coupe, 500hp, set-up for 24hrs race (sport auto 03) *estimated
7:21 --- 168.163 km/h -- Blitz Supra, 650 PS (Autocar magazine 97)
7:25 --- 168.651 km/h -- Alzen Motorsport Porsche 996, 24hrs race, Uwe Alzen
7:36 --- 162.631 km/h -- AC-Schnitzer M3 CLS II E36, 350 hp, Michelin Sport Cup R , Mattias Ekblom
7:40 --- 161.217 km/h -- Porsche GT3 RS, stock but Pirelli P Zero Corsa, Mattias Ekblom (ams)




The other Blitz Supra did 7:21 on the long track of nurburgring, with less power. This one is a race car though, comparable to the C6 Zo6 with minor mods. Car set-up and driving play a big part, too. Sorry if this whole topic went south. Yes, any car can be modified to be faster in all aspects than the next. Its a food chain for cars.

[Isphius]

Originally Posted by pwpanas

I'm pretty sure the C6 Z06 sells for about $75K or so. Fwiw, that's not what I'd call "cheap" unless you're comparing it to an Enzo...

Why? Imho, they should stick to the 1000hp-capable 2jz-gte. All it needs is a bigger set of fully sequential twin turbos, and an oem meth+H2O injection system, to put out 600 very reliable horsepower.

Im saying its cheap compared to cars of similar perforamnce, ie viper or the new ford gt40, which both cost more. And for it to be considered a stock car, to compete with something likel the corvette they need a 500-600hp motor in there from the factory, they cant just hope that everyone will modify there cars as soon as they buy them.

[pwpanas]

Originally Posted by Isphius

Im saying its cheap compared to cars of similar perforamnce, ie viper or the new ford gt40, which both cost more. And for it to be considered a stock car, to compete with something likel the corvette they need a 500-600hp motor in there from the factory, they cant just hope that everyone will modify there cars as soon as they buy them.

Originally Posted by Isphius

...Id like to see one of the newer toyota v8s in the supra...

If the 2jz-gte came with bigger sequential turbos and water/meth injection from the factory, there'd be no need to go to a different engine OR for the owners modify their cars to put down 600hp. With those two bolt-on mods and a lightweight hydro-formed chassis, and the MK5 Supra is back on top.

[Isphius]

That would be sweet. now we can just wish for toyota to do somethign lol. im sure they have the resources/money

[Greglatta]

Originally Posted by pwpanas

If the 2jz-gte came with bigger sequential turbos and water/meth injection from the factory, there'd be no need to go to a different engine OR for the owners modify their cars to put down 600hp. With those two bolt-on mods and a lightweight hydro-formed chassis, and the MK5 Supra is back on top.

So you're saying that a 600hp could put the new corvette to shame? I would love to differ the suspension would have to change the chassis and 600 of hp from turbo is no where as nice as 500 from n/a pure displacement