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Timmeh 09-21-2010 07:17 AM

Suspension differences?
 
New guy here. Have a couple questions regarding mkIII & mkIV suspensions. Looking to start up a project car and need to know what the differences were between the mk3 and mk4 cars. Pros and cons of each as well. Are there any parts that were the same or even interchangeable between the two? Can mark IV parts be used on a mkIII and vice versa? Anything regarding suspension, handling, IRS components, brakes....etc... looking for every detail possible between the two!! Looking to build a car with the best parts possible! Thanks in advance!
~Tim

ochowdero 09-21-2010 07:51 AM

bumpp!
 
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Originally Posted by Timmeh (Post 88025)
looking for every detail possible between the two!! Looking to build a car with the best parts possible! Thanks in advance!
~Tim

the engine and transmission(tranny is versitile thru all supras as well as the cressida,solora, and lexus.) thats included the w58 r154 and another i cant think of..

the engine(1jz or 2jz[turbo model also]) i think are a bit or maybe even alot bigger, so youd have to customize your engine mounts and what have you..but i know that the 2jzt can fit in a mk2, but idk what modifications you have to do to the engine bay

nothing on the mk4, body wise, can go on the mk3, unless you mod it..
(like a common skyline r34 taillight mod for the mk3.)

suspension? - buy coil-overs or lowering springs with new struts made for the model of the car your building..

brakes? - cmon my dude.. brakes arent designed specifically for a car..if your looking for aftermarket like brembo then search for the model and get them.

components? - im not sure...i doubt it but you never know..

im sure others will post and correct me on brakes haha, but were all here to give you the best info..
keep postin

-chwdr, supra

Timmeh 09-21-2010 12:52 PM

Body style is not my main concern but the handling capabilities and strengths of suspensions in stock form. Certainly I will add aftermarket where needed, but I want to jump into the "right" Supra first. The engine is meaningless as I'll build something to suit my needs. I'm more concerned with the platform it sits on, (i.e. the suspension, IRS, brakes...) Sure, down the road I'll upgrade this and that, but I want to make sure that if I got say an mk3 that I'm not cornering myself when I should have gotten an mk4. I'm looking specifically at project cars ..and have even considered the mk2 cars but someone said to go to at least the mk3 for the better parts.

ochowdero 09-21-2010 10:07 PM

ok..
i love my mk3
i have an 87 supra n/a auto and i plann to convert it to manual and turbo it when i get the money..the stock suspension is amazing..i go into corners at a good 35-45 mph and no damage to them..(i lost my power steering Dx) so i recommend making sure your power steering is amazing hahha..

mk3 are more reliable when you rebuild it, there reliable even if you didnt rebuild it... toyota just makes good cars..

if you going for a cheap car to start rebuilding now get the mk3.. years are on your preference though.
mk4 for is expensive to even get the the car.. unless you find someone and are lucky enough to have it under 10,000.

like all mk2-3 lovers..there is really no difference..
mk4 will definately hold up n 850+ hp but i believe if you rebuild the mk3 alll over that it can withstand 850+

**EDIT*
aside of all that.. i wanna say that.. the platform it sits on is amazing if its in good condition, if not i recommend fixing it pronto (that goes for both mk3 and mk4)
..suspension, brakes, IRS, etc... all that, if you want amazing results with all those...then going aftermarket on all that will definately make it 10x more better.. but to answer your question.. mk4 is alil stronger, but mk3 is definately reliable.. its all on your preference..

pwpanas 09-21-2010 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmeh (Post 88030)
Body style is not my main concern but the handling capabilities and strengths of suspensions in stock form. Certainly I will add aftermarket where needed, but I want to jump into the "right" Supra first. The engine is meaningless as I'll build something to suit my needs. I'm more concerned with the platform it sits on, (i.e. the suspension, IRS, brakes...) Sure, down the road I'll upgrade this and that, but I want to make sure that if I got say an mk3 that I'm not cornering myself when I should have gotten an mk4. I'm looking specifically at project cars ..and have even considered the mk2 cars but someone said to go to at least the mk3 for the better parts.

If you want a 1000hp-capable engine, tranny, and diff...right 'out of the box' (bone-stock), then go with an mk4 6spd. Of course, this will highly capable 'base' will cost you quite a bit over an mk3.

Timmeh 09-22-2010 08:41 AM

Hmm, good info to chew on! Thanks guys! Looks like I may be leaning for an MKIII. I do know the 6 speed manuals only came in the MKIV's. IF I'm lucky enough to come across one for a decent price will I'll go that route for a trans, though for now I'm good with a 5 speed. :) Thanks again guys!

pwpanas 09-22-2010 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmeh (Post 88089)
Hmm, good info to chew on! Thanks guys! Looks like I may be leaning for an MKIII. I do know the 6 speed manuals only came in the MKIV's. IF I'm lucky enough to come across one for a decent price will I'll go that route for a trans, though for now I'm good with a 5 speed. :) Thanks again guys!

Again, it's not just the 6spd that's 1000hp+ capable, bone-stock...it's the entire Mkiv TT driveline (i.e. engine, and diff too - bone stock).

Timmeh 09-23-2010 03:44 AM

Ideally yes I do want the manual 6 speed for my application but I won't be needing the motor for what I have in mind. ;)

pwpanas 09-25-2010 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Timmeh (Post 88120)
Ideally yes I do want the manual 6 speed for my application but I won't be needing the motor for what I have in mind. ;)

Why not? The 1000hp+ capable 2jz-gte is one of the best parts of the Mkiv Supra Turbo!!! Almost any other engine would be a downgrade, imho.

Timmeh 09-25-2010 09:56 PM

Not sure if this is considered blasphemy here or not, but judging from some of the other threads I've seen here I think it's safe so I'll risk it lol.... Supra suspension and the drive-train minus the engine are going into a Muscle car with a twin turbo small block. I want to keep the car looking like American muscle but be able to whoop the crap out of other rides, on a budget. Most people would never expect my car to handle as well as it will. ;)

pwpanas 09-26-2010 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Timmeh (Post 88178)
Not sure if this is considered blasphemy here or not, but judging from some of the other threads I've seen here I think it's safe so I'll risk it lol.... Supra suspension and the drive-train minus the engine are going into a Muscle car with a twin turbo small block. I want to keep the car looking like American muscle but be able to whoop the crap out of other rides, on a budget. Most people would never expect my car to handle as well as it will. ;)

Very strange. How could it look like "American muscle", in a Japanese chassis? :stickpoke:werd: *shrug* just mho...

ochowdero 09-26-2010 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timmeh (Post 88178)
Not sure if this is considered blasphemy here or not, but judging from some of the other threads I've seen here I think it's safe so I'll risk it lol.... Supra suspension and the drive-train minus the engine are going into a Muscle car with a twin turbo small block. I want to keep the car looking like American muscle but be able to whoop the crap out of other rides, on a budget. Most people would never expect my car to handle as well as it will. ;)

man i thought you were rebuilding a supra >:(
if this is the case why put a supra in a muscle car?
why not the twin turboed small block in the supra?
itll be sweet and haul ass
im just saying

pwpanas 09-26-2010 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ochowdero (Post 88220)
man i thought you were rebuilding a supra >:(
if this is the case why put a supra in a muscle car?
why not the twin turboed small block in the supra?
itll be sweet and haul ass
im just saying

Omg...an Mkiv TT already does haul ass!!! The Mkiv TT does not need a "small block" v8 - that would be a downgrade! Again, the bone-stock oem 2jz-gte is 1000-hp capable (i.e. MUCH more capable than an off-balance "small block" v8...).

Timmeh 09-30-2010 09:28 PM

Just going for something different. Nothing American is affordable really and I refuse to put a Corvette IRS in my car lol, Viper parts on classic Mopars have been done to death, I know the Supras handle extremely well and parts are plentiful and affordable compared to anything American that I have found. Didn't mean to ruffle anyone's feathers over this and my apologies if I have. I won't be getting a road worthy car to do this with. I'll be looking for a parts car or a wrecked one and salvage the parts from it. I wouldn't have the heart to pull the parts from a car that is still in decent shape. So essentially, I'm not pulling a Supra off the road, I'm putting parts of a "dead" one back on the road! ;)

pwpanas 10-02-2010 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmeh (Post 88391)
Just going for something different. Nothing American is affordable really and I refuse to put a Corvette IRS in my car lol, Viper parts on classic Mopars have been done to death, I know the Supras handle extremely well and parts are plentiful and affordable compared to anything American that I have found. Didn't mean to ruffle anyone's feathers over this and my apologies if I have. I won't be getting a road worthy car to do this with. I'll be looking for a parts car or a wrecked one and salvage the parts from it. I wouldn't have the heart to pull the parts from a car that is still in decent shape. So essentially, I'm not pulling a Supra off the road, I'm putting parts of a "dead" one back on the road! ;)

Again, to me, it's just kind of strange. For example, there's little difference between a 'vette IRS and the Mkiv Supra Turbo's IRS... :crazy2::dunno:

I'd ask that you at least consider the mighty 2jz-gte among your list of options for this back-from-the-grave project...

Timmeh 10-03-2010 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by pwpanas (Post 88438)

I'd ask that you at least consider the mighty 2jz-gte among your list of options for this back-from-the-grave project...

Specs and info?

pwpanas 10-03-2010 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmeh (Post 88454)
Specs and info?

It's a 3.0L Inline 6 - so overbuilt that it's capable of 35psi of forced induction, and reliably delivering 1000hp, over and over and over and over again ... in bone-stock form! You'll find one in every Mkiv TT Supra. :)

Timmeh 10-04-2010 03:39 AM

Hmm, sounds very tempting..... If I can find other means of a**kicking suspension for my 67 Barracuda, I may just rebuild a Supra as well! ;)


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