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suprafann 12-14-2005 11:45 PM

Which supra is better..
 
im tryin to choose between these 2supra's. I want the cr thats gonna lat me longer w/o problms and which ever one will hold better re-sale value if ie ver sell it. Cars are in teh US but im in canada

CAR 1

93 supra, automatic, non turbo, 97,000 miles, reconstructed title (no fram damage), 2 owners, characol in colour, paint is great, interior shows wear, hole in front bumper but car comes with do-luck stlye bumper, 19" wheels...got him down to 13,200 US

CAR 2

93 supra, automatic, twin-turbo, 170,000 miles (100,000 on tranny and engine), clean title, 1 owner, characol in colour, great condition (havnt seen 2 many pictures though), completely stock.asking 17,500 ill prolly offer 16,000

what you guys think these cars are worth, and which ones a better investment

Bozz 12-15-2005 08:09 AM

is car 2 in texas and did u see it off autotrader?

SupraMan1784 12-15-2005 03:07 PM

id go turbo with car 2...though i would think car 1 would get u better resale since it has lower miles

pwpanas 12-15-2005 03:43 PM

Car#2, assuming it's had proper & regular maintenance, compression #s are good, boosts well, drives smoothly, etc.

SKILMATIC 12-16-2005 03:13 AM

This is a no brainer. The turbo car willalways be more expensive and hold its value. The flipside to that car 2 will have more of a pronality of something malfunctioning becasue of the turbo kit. So its a hit and miss issue.

suprafann 12-17-2005 03:13 AM

no its not off autotrader, plus i will be flying down their and checking it out beore any kind of payment, seller has agreed (owns his own dealership)

Well car 1 is outta the question, just because ir ather have sumthin thats already turbod, and i dont want to get sumthin with a salvage title, because you never know.

With car 2, before i buy it im going to take it to a toyota dealership and get it inspected, now with their 100 point inspections, do they check everything, compression tests, leak down test, whether the body is straight, mathcin vin# etc. Or is it more of a visialy look at say brakes, exhaust systeme etc?

I do plan on doing a signle turbo upgrade etc, with the automaic tranny will i loose a lot of power, like is it worth getting a auto supra, half the people say its a waste the other say go for it. I just wanna make sure that if i get teh auto i can still make it fast, and not have tuners saying you can go past 15psi cause the tranny will break etc

SKILMATIC 12-17-2005 03:30 AM

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With car 2, before i buy it im going to take it to a toyota dealership and get it inspected, now with their 100 point inspections, do they check everything, compression tests, leak down test, whether the body is straight, mathcin vin# etc. Or is it more of a visialy look at say brakes, exhaust systeme etc?


They do a full blown inspection of everything. Basically they inspect what you want them to inspect. If you want them to do a 50pont inspection then they charge you for that if you want them to do a 100point they charge you for that.

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I do plan on doing a signle turbo upgrade etc, with the automaic tranny will i loose a lot of power, like is it worth getting a auto supra, half the people say its a waste the other say go for it. I just wanna make sure that if i get teh auto i can still make it fast, and not have tuners saying you can go past 15psi cause the tranny will break etc
Well like everyhting else there are pros and cons. The pros are city driving(especially if there are steep hills and such and traffic)will be a breeze with an automatic; a manual tranny will be a pain in the booty. Another good thing with an auto is that shifting is faster; the con to that is that in a manual you can shift when you want which means more rpm length. A con to a auto tranny is that when one goes bad you have to do a rebuild or tranny swap which is at least 1500bucks. IN a manual all you have to change is the clutch set or maybe the flywheel which all together depending on what brand and stuff can range from 500-1000. Also automatic trannys are more prone to have problems than a manual tranny. So again its all perception and what you want.

suprafann 12-17-2005 03:46 AM

i hear ya, how are teh supr auto trannys? heard they built them pretty strong, oh ya the tranny has 20k on it, not 100,00.


well i was gonna buy a stall converter, and also bypass the rev limiter.

Stupid noob question, but when "bypassing" the rpm governor, it allows me to rev higher, but whats the point since the tranny will shift by itself way before the redline???????

Bottom line on the car.....Does 16k flat US seem like a really good deal on a 93 TT thats stock/clean/clear...170miles on body..20miles on tranny and 80 miels on engine? and lets say the car is in perfect runnign condition

i see the car as my dream car, but at the same time an investment

SKILMATIC 12-17-2005 04:22 AM

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hear ya, how are teh supr auto trannys? heard they built them pretty strong, oh ya the tranny has 20k on it, not 100,00

Well they actually are very strong but the manuals are even stronger.

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Stupid noob question, but when "bypassing" the rpm governor, it allows me to rev higher, but whats the point since the tranny will shift by itself way before the redline???????

No its not a noob question its a very good question. Now I am assuming you are talking about a auto tranny. Now in an auto tranny this will not work. This will only work on a manual.

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Bottom line on the car.....Does 16k flat US seem like a really good deal on a 93 TT thats stock/clean/clear...170miles on body..20miles on tranny and 80 miels on engine? and lets say the car is in perfect runnign condition
O yeah if it is a good runing car Id jump on that like flies on sh!t. lol

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see the car as my dream car, but at the same time an investment
Well if I was you I wouldnt sell that car but if you had to its a real investment that when fixed up great will turn over a great profit.

suprafann 12-17-2005 07:09 AM

yea if i do ever sell it, it owuld be for a reason beyong my control hehe


well if the auto does bug me i guess in the future when i have soem coin laying around ic an do a swap to manual, still seems cheaper than to turbo a N/A fromt eh price of NA/T kits go for

suprafann 12-19-2005 05:59 PM

i just need sumone to steer me intot he right direction, i know i want this car BUT, adults are saying the mileage is too high (even though only th body has 170,000).

What is the going rate for a 93 supra TT auto with that many miles on it? not blue book, but real street value?

You can take the engine has 80,000 and tranny has 10,000 into consideration if you want, i rather have a price just on the car.

Im just used to having newer cas, but its time for a supercar :)

j3pz 12-20-2005 01:21 AM

brother, this car is a supra, its in more demand now than it was during production meaning no matter what the price will be up there. im sure im gonna get bashed for this... im thinkin even just the car, no motor or tranny, will be 8k+.

SKILMATIC 12-20-2005 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by suprafann
i just need sumone to steer me intot he right direction, i know i want this car BUT, adults are saying the mileage is too high (even though only th body has 170,000).

What is the going rate for a 93 supra TT auto with that many miles on it? not blue book, but real street value?

You can take the engine has 80,000 and tranny has 10,000 into consideration if you want, i rather have a price just on the car.

Im just used to having newer cas, but its time for a supercar :)

Its all relativity meaning its how much you yourself value supras. IMO I value them so much I wouldnt mind paying the same cost of a 7series BMW and buying a supra. To me they are that good and I can back that up. However, usual street value on a decent condition 93 tt is around 18-25 grand depending on the definition of decent condition.

suprafann 12-20-2005 02:57 AM

ya i dont think i would sell it anyways, only reason i ask is because the folks dont think the car is worht too much because od 170,000 miles on the body. They dont know anything about supra's and howthey never go for blue book value etc. Im just tryin to tell them as much i can about how rare they are down here. I am paying for the car, but they are the type of parents that will bug me about it, since im going from a 2000 car to a 93, but ive spend enuff in my acura, and it isnt clsoe to enuff, its a family car and ive finally realized. GO big or go home right

SKILMATIC 12-20-2005 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by suprafann
ya i dont think i would sell it anyways, only reason i ask is because the folks dont think the car is worht too much because od 170,000 miles on the body. They dont know anything about supra's and howthey never go for blue book value etc. Im just tryin to tell them as much i can about how rare they are down here. I am paying for the car, but they are the type of parents that will bug me about it, since im going from a 2000 car to a 93, but ive spend enuff in my acura, and it isnt clsoe to enuff, its a family car and ive finally realized. GO big or go home right

Yes thats what I say all the time. Go big or go home. Which is why I am putting about over 600whp to my saturn. haha I have the link to prove it. Well hey good luck dude.

suprafann 12-24-2005 08:24 AM

hey skilmatic, do you have a email address. Reason im asking is the seller sent me some pictures, and i just wanna show someone to give me any advice, if they can see something that might be fishy.

Im not sure but on one picture, the front supra logo seems to be characol (same colour as the car), do they usually come stock in silver or ogld?

SKILMATIC 12-25-2005 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by suprafann
hey skilmatic, do you have a email address. Reason im asking is the seller sent me some pictures, and i just wanna show someone to give me any advice, if they can see something that might be fishy.

Im not sure but on one picture, the front supra logo seems to be characol (same colour as the car), do they usually come stock in silver or ogld?

Sure send it to skilmatic_@hotmail.com . I will tell you right now that if the pic has the license plate scratched off then its usually a scam. But g ahwad and send them

suprafann 12-25-2005 04:26 AM

sorry for the delay, pictures sent

thanx

SKILMATIC 12-25-2005 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by suprafann
sorry for the delay, pictures sent

thanx

No problem. Let me check them out.

SKILMATIC 12-25-2005 04:30 AM

Ok now ask him to send you pics of the license plate and tell him to give you the vin#. If he doesnt do this or gives you an excuse its a fraud.

suprafann 12-25-2005 07:44 AM

i think one pof the pics had his rear license, he gave me the vin and it checked otu clean, guanteeed by carfax

SKILMATIC 12-25-2005 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by suprafann
i think one pof the pics had his rear license, he gave me the vin and it checked otu clean, guanteeed by carfax

Ok now ask him if it would be ok if you met him to pick up the car.

suprafann 12-25-2005 11:45 PM

ya that was agreed upon right away, he said he wants payment in cash, or chque but i have to wait till it clears, but i cant because i cant waste a whole week downt heir waiting for it to clear.

Plans are to fly down their, buy the car and drive it back. He owns a dealership and states that he is bonded etc., and i just setup an inspection with SGS, he actually said get one done ASAP because after x-mas hes going to be opening up offers to others

Ive been talking to him for about 2 weeks now, he seems, he was sking 17,500, he said he can ive me soem what of a deal because im flying down their etc. He than told me straight up that the lowest he will go is 16,000, and i agreed because that was gonna be my offer.

I dont know but he seems legit, willing to take cash/cheque i person, ive talekd to him numerous times on the phone. It took him a week to get morep ictures because he was sick, most scam artiists would try to get them ASAP to get your moeny quikc, but ya.

As long as the SGS inspection goes well, ill have a new supra the fist week of january :)

SKILMATIC 12-26-2005 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by suprafann
ya that was agreed upon right away, he said he wants payment in cash, or chque but i have to wait till it clears, but i cant because i cant waste a whole week downt heir waiting for it to clear.

Plans are to fly down their, buy the car and drive it back. He owns a dealership and states that he is bonded etc., and i just setup an inspection with SGS, he actually said get one done ASAP because after x-mas hes going to be opening up offers to others

Ive been talking to him for about 2 weeks now, he seems, he was sking 17,500, he said he can ive me soem what of a deal because im flying down their etc. He than told me straight up that the lowest he will go is 16,000, and i agreed because that was gonna be my offer.

I dont know but he seems legit, willing to take cash/cheque i person, ive talekd to him numerous times on the phone. It took him a week to get morep ictures because he was sick, most scam artiists would try to get them ASAP to get your moeny quikc, but ya.

As long as the SGS inspection goes well, ill have a new supra the fist week of january :)

Yea so far from the pics you have given me and the info you have said about him it seems he is legit. Also make sure he gives you his address and business name and phone number. Make sure you call the business and check if he really owns it. Also check and make sure when the check clears you follow up asap on the retrieval of the vehicle. Also when you retrieve that car you MUST go to the DMV and get the title of ownership changed to your name. Or else technically he can claim the car was stolen and then get the car back. I have heard this has happened too.

suprafann 12-26-2005 07:52 AM

ya he seems legit, the only thing i worry about NOW is that it might have been rebuilt privately.

I took his exact address, and posted it in yahoo.com, it came up with a repair/collision shop. So asked him if he owns a repair shop. He said no his dealership was called xxxxxxx, and that the repair shop is his parnters, the owner is his friends.

Now thats fine, he owns a dealership and his parnter which he told me about a long time ago owns a collision shop. This makes me think that the car might have been in a car accident and their collision shop jsut fixed it.

The carfax report came back clean, carfax buy back guarantee good.

let me know what you think, and what steps i might be able to do to check if its been repaired.

PS: I already sent an inspection through SGS, so maybe they will find sumthin, but i dont think check to see if the body is straight etc

SKILMATIC 12-26-2005 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by suprafann
ya he seems legit, the only thing i worry about NOW is that it might have been rebuilt privately.

I took his exact address, and posted it in yahoo.com, it came up with a repair/collision shop. So asked him if he owns a repair shop. He said no his dealership was called xxxxxxx, and that the repair shop is his parnters, the owner is his friends.

Now thats fine, he owns a dealership and his parnter which he told me about a long time ago owns a collision shop. This makes me think that the car might have been in a car accident and their collision shop jsut fixed it.

The carfax report came back clean, carfax buy back guarantee good.

let me know what you think, and what steps i might be able to do to check if its been repaired.

PS: I already sent an inspection through SGS, so maybe they will find sumthin, but i dont think check to see if the body is straight etc

Yes this is easy. As far as body work goes knock the body and listen for any bondo. Also when any car gets repainted there is always some overspray, paint clumps, or different shades. Look for all these very carefully. Look under the running boards, the front and rear bumpers even the wheel wells.

Now motor wise look in the engine bay for any signs of engine removal or installation meaning look for any dings or scratches in the engine bay that would be caused by a motor. Also look at the frame to be sure that there is no frame damage. If there is then it has obviously been in an accident.

suprafann 12-29-2005 01:32 AM

if say a lot of work was done at toyota, would that work be on a carfax report?

he said he has a lot the receipts from toyota but car fax olny reports 1 lube/filter changew

SKILMATIC 12-29-2005 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by suprafann
if say a lot of work was done at toyota, would that work be on a carfax report?

he said he has a lot the receipts from toyota but car fax olny reports 1 lube/filter changew

I guess it would depend on how explicit carfax is. Now as long as he has the receipts from toyota and it says on the receipt the same make and model the car is and the part numbers and everything match up then I would render it legit.


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