Supra or Firebird? Better all around?

[Grandavi]

Originally Posted by IHateHacks

Buy imported.

American cars and everything bolted to them are junk, always were, always will be.

Reason why?

American auto manufacturers use standard measurements.

The rest of the world (aside from some 3rd world countries) use metric measurements.

Metric is a more precise measurement than standard, always was, always will be.

And I don't care if you believe me or not, it's a proven fact.

lol.. thats a little too cut and dry (and false by the way). True.. I pretty well only buy Toyota and Honda, although I have owned some American cars... but.. there are some very very good American made cars.

The imperial vs metric argument is moot really.. that goes into tolerances and your statement is just too damn loose.. lol. All manufacturers tolerances are based on a mean value and generally arent spec'd like they should. Some are better, some are worse. Now.. a Skoda... well.. thats a different story and its metric.

Anyone who plops an argument into a broad statement like you just did is just presenting a single (and very biased) statement.. and usually wrong.

Now.. if you want to argue tolerances.. than every manufactured car is crap. You want a great car.. pull it apart and put it to the exact specification it should be. The tolerances are much tighter today then they were in the 50-80's.. but balanced and blueprinted engines perform to spec. The rest are all just "acceptible". I refuse to buy new because of price and "value", plus new cars are just too electronic for me. The old ones had character and you could actually fiddle with them.

I love older mustangs.. hate newer ones. That's solely based on personal taste. However... a 240HP Chevy cobalt isnt a bad car considering the speed you get with the fuel economy.

I love my Supra. Its designed very well, but built with a truck engine modified to be a Supra engine. I can play with it, it goes great, its customizable, affordable.. but a pig on gas. There is tons wrong with it, and a lot I love about it. So.. it goes down to the fact Toyota made an excellent car poorly. lol. I think GM and Ford make poor cars excellently. Chrysler is just crap except for some older models and perhaps their Viper which is an engineering marvel. (the stealth is a fun car.. but the Chrysler tag scares me).

Anyway.. answered your response because I was bored... but the good ole USofA can actually turn out some decent cars AND by using imperial.

(however.. whoever invented philip screws should be shot)

[citationls]

As far as American cars versus import cars, I've heard that the union that american manufacturers made a while ago are now coming back to get them. And since they aren't selling as many cars the unions given to the workers is taking away too much money because they aren't making enough. So, they have to make lower quality cars that cost just as much to make up for the loss. Just a theory I heard.
But....I love the sound of the older muscle cars and the looks of them. Too bad imports can't be big block v8s. Considering how much power they get from 6 cylinders imagine how much they could get from 8
Anyways, as far as which car to get goes. I looked up which 3rd gen. models of firebirds are the fastest on a 0-60/quarter mile list and I think the fastest were the third gen. 90s formula, 91 trans am, and 90s gtas. But I want a standard so GTAs are kinda out. For supras I think 88 or 89 turbos were fastest at like .5 or 1 second behend those firebirds on 0-60 and 1/4 miles. And then of course theres the barracudas :P which I would love to have but could probably never afford or be able to find one. If I did I would bow down to it :P MR2s were another option. And I think thats it for affordable cars around the 6/7 0-60 time.

[IHateHacks]

Standard uses TPI (threads per inch) when measuring thread pitch.

Metric uses space between threads in millimeters (1, 1.25, 1.5, 1.75, etc.) when measuring thread pitch.

This is a fact and the sole basis on my point of view.

If you didn't know that or don't care to know, that's because you are some 2 bit hick that only knows how to turn a key and push a pedal.

Go work on a 20 year old American car, then go work on a 20 year old Jap car. And let me know how many american bolts you snap versus japanese bolts that snap, pal.

[Grandavi]

Originally Posted by IHateHacks

Standard uses TPI (threads per inch) when measuring thread pitch.

Metric uses space between threads in millimeters (1, 1.25, 1.5, 1.75, etc.) when measuring thread pitch.

This is a fact and the sole basis on my point of view.

If you didn't know that or don't care to know, that's because you are some 2 bit hick that only knows how to turn a key and push a pedal.

Go work on a 20 year old American car, then go work on a 20 year old Jap car. And let me know how many american bolts you snap versus japanese bolts that snap, pal.

all that is fine and dandy.. but your discounting the micrometer and a 2.5x safety factor in stress engineering.

oh.. and just to reiterate... I pretty well only buy Jap cars... because 90% of American cars suck... but that isnt due to imperial measurements

[BAN WS6]

IHateHacks is obviously an idiot. I'd rather be a hick than an arrogant, close minded dick, which you obviously are. So, go ahead, continue to keep your mind closed and stick to your tuners. I'll continue to branch out and fill my garage with tuners, American muscle and pony cars, and maybe even a few exotics someday and enjoy the different aspects each type of car has to offer.

[suprabahamut]

I am not a fan of American cars in general like the taurus, probe, and stuff. But I do like the Cameros, Mustangs, Firebirds and Vettes. Even though most of the ones my friends have had died at 150K miles and the hondas go to 300k easily. They still are a thrill to drive a V8. My oppion is tunners are better, because they can spank may domestic cars and still get great fuel mileage doing it. But the V8 muscle cars are still beast of machines. I would like to do like you WS6 get some euros, tunners and domestics!

[Grandavi]

Originally Posted by suprabahamut

I am not a fan of American cars in general like the taurus, probe, and stuff. But I do like the Cameros, Mustangs, Firebirds and Vettes. Even though most of the ones my friends have had died at 150K miles and the hondas go to 300k easily. They still are a thrill to drive a V8. My oppion is tunners are better, because they can spank may domestic cars and still get great fuel mileage doing it. But the V8 muscle cars are still beast of machines. I would like to do like you WS6 get some euros, tunners and domestics!

The real kicker is... you wont see a Supra going for 1.5 million at an auction... (I love the car.. but lets face facts).

In fact.. is there any Japanese car that would fetch anything over 150k?