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My fenders look wrong
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I have noticed that something is wrong with the alignment of my fenders or the position of my wheels on my mkIII. http://www.euphonium.dk/DCP_2697.JPG http://www.euphonium.dk/DCP_2699.JPG As you can see the right tyre sits more inside the fender than the left tyre. Here you can see it from above: http://www.euphonium.dk/DCP_2677.JPG http://www.euphonium.dk/DCP_2678.JPG And here from the front: http://www.euphonium.dk/DCP_2686.JPG http://www.euphonium.dk/DCP_2685.JPG Inside the engine bay it looks like this: http://www.euphonium.dk/DCP_2694.JPG http://www.euphonium.dk/DCP_2692.JPG If I measure the distance between the fender and the where the upper end of front shock absorber mounts to the chassis I get 19 cm in both sides. So both fenders sit at exactly the same distance from the suspension. So why does the left front tyre stick out further than the right? I don't know if a fender has been exchanged since I have bought the car used and since I bought it abroad from a dealer I can't track down the previous owner. But if a fender has been exchanged could it be that there are different shapes/sizes available and that somehow two different fender have been mounted? In some of the pictures the camber looks different on the two sides with the right side having negative camber and the left side having zero camber. But on other pictures I think they look the same. Does anyone have an explanation or something for me to do/measure so I can find out what is going on here? |
http://www.euphonium.dk/DCP_2699.JPG
In that picture that is a narrow body fender. Someone replaced that fender. The other side is a wide body fender. Which was stock on your car. Supras had both a wide body and a narrow body version. The narrow bodies are hideous in my opinion. Thank god we never got any over here in the US. Lol. |
Thanks
Thank you very much.
I'll look for another front fender then. |
I talked to someone today who has 51 Toyota mkIIIs in his backyard. He deals in Supra mkIII parts. All his cars are from Germany or Switzerland. He said that he never heard about two types of fenders.
So are you 100% sure about the wide/narrow original fenders? He also told me that you can adjust the fenders about 2 inches via the bar that sits inside the fender. Couldn't it just be that? In a few minutes I'm going to pull off the inside fenders to have look. |
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When I look at the car now I think that you might be right. The fender simply looks to have a different shape. |
I found this:
------------------------------------------------------ ok... here in New Zealand we have a very large variety of mk3 bodies but here is how you can tell the differences on them regardless of what year the registration ticket says it is ;) (just as a sidenote these body differences may not apply to northern hemisphere, most of what is shown here is what japan sent to the southern hemisphere :) ) 86 supra bodies.... aerial in back windscreen body moulding looks like this on jdm models (usa used 87 moulding from 86-88) http://www.supra.co.nz/bodydiff/86moulding.jpg windscreen washer jets are small stubby ones like this http://www.supra.co.nz/bodydiff/86washers.jpg 86's also have a parklight switch whereas in nz in 87 they got changed for a coin slot (in the usa i believe they still have parklight switches) 86 supras are also narrow body (flat sides, guards aren't flared out etc) here's a pic of a narrow body & widebody... you can see the yellow one has wider front guards than the white one http://www.supra.co.nz/bodydiff/narrowbody.jpg also as shown above... the white supra is an 86 but had the 89 bumper and spoiler conversion done... so 86-88 = yellow bumper, 89-92 = white bumper (if you look at the turn signals you will notice that they are exactly the same as the yellow ones.. 86-88 turn signals) taillights look like this http://www.supra.co.nz/bodydiff/86lights.jpg factory 86 spoiler shown above 87 bodies... aerial in back windscreen 87 moulding is exclusive, it is not on any other year... you will never mistake an 87 unless someone went through the trouble of changing it all (which i doubt someone would go through the trouble with) 87 moulding comes in 3 colours... burgundy, gray & blue 87 moulding pic http://www.supra.co.nz/bodydiff/87moulding.jpg windscreen washer jets change for 89 to longer nice looking ones http://www.supra.co.nz/bodydiff/89washers.jpg as shown previous... widebody & narrowbody all 87 supras are widebody from the factory the yellow one is an 87 http://www.supra.co.nz/bodydiff/narrowbody.jpg taillights and spoiler are still the same as 86 http://www.supra.co.nz/bodydiff/86lights.jpg 87's also came with seatbelt holders which the 86's didn't come with (in the USA only 89+ got seatbelt holders) http://www.supra.co.nz/bodydiff/seatbeltholder.jpg 87's had a coin slot in replacement of the parklight switch (in nz, not sure of other countries, USA 87's did not come with coin slots factory) 88 bodies... aerial in back windscreen back to narrow body style still retains coin slot no seat belt holders in 88's still have the newer style windscreen washer jets still have 86 style taillights and spoiler back to 86 style moulding 89-92 bodies... aerial changes to an automatic one in the right rear quarter in spoiler taillight style also changes spoiler changes to a new 3 piece with spoiler light http://www.supra.co.nz/bodydiff/89lights.jpg body moulding changed http://www.supra.co.nz/bodydiff/89moulding.jpg windscreen washer jets are still the long sleek nice ones all are widebody (but..... generally the ga70 1ggte is an exception to the rule) front bumper changed as well as turn signals have a look at the front bumper and turn signals between these two.. the turn signals on the purple 89 are shorter and have little black grills rather than the yellow one which has one grill that spreads right between the two http://www.supra.co.nz/bodydiff/facelift.jpg if you have any other questions on body diff's post em up and i'll answer them the best i can ;) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- So I guess you are right. |
When I look at the smaller fender on my car I don't think it looks exactly like the narrow fender from the 86 model:
http://www.supra.co.nz/bodydiff/narrowbody.jpg My car looks like this: http://www.euphonium.dk/DCP_2676s.JPG |
If I measure the distance from the shock absorbers to the tyres I get this:
http://www.euphonium.dk/DCP_2728r.JPG http://www.euphonium.dk/DCP_2731r.JPG This means that the left tyre is 1 cm further out than the right relative to the shock absorber. I have of course made sure that I'm measuring at the same spot. How is that possible? |
When I look at the shape of the fender I don't really see that big difference:
http://www.euphonium.dk/DCP_2743.JPG http://www.euphonium.dk/DCP_2745.JPG http://www.euphonium.dk/DCP_2749.JPG http://www.euphonium.dk/DCP_2748.JPG I have never seen an 86 model with narrow body. Do the fenders on a narrow body look like this? I talked to someone who said he thought that the bottom part of the left fender was not pulled out as much as it should and doing that would make the fenders look the same. What seems strange to me is if both the fender and the wheel alignment is wrong at the same time. Of course if the wheel is wrong due to an impact and the fender has been replaced du to the impact it will make sense. But as far as I can tell the car drives straight and stops straight too. I had a machanic testing it a few weeks ago and he said after driving it that the brakes and the handling were perfect. |
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