N/A or Turbo?

JPDsupra · 05-06-2007, 02:29 PM

Last weekend my friend raced a guy with a 700hp viper which was N/A and my friend has a supra mkIV wit 1000hp twin turbo, the strange thing is that the viper beat him even though the supra had a weight and power advantage. At first i thought reaction time but m friend launched off the line the same millisecond the viper did. I remember a guy telling me that N/A is usually faster than turbo beause of lag and something to do with power build up. what do you think?

Supra2NR · 05-06-2007, 07:07 PM

When ur friend said he has 1000hp
What dyno did they use?

I have seen a 9 sec car win over a 8 second car
So an na with 700hp beating a 1000hp turbo
Isn't really a surprise
Driving error could happen all the time
Even if they had the same reaction time
Did the supra hook?
What was the 0-60ft times?
Maybe the viper's driver all in all better than ur friend

Plus, 1000hp@??? Rpm?
What's the setup that he's using

But that's sad tho 1000hp but useless against a 700

pwpanas · 05-07-2007, 05:08 AM

Also could be the tires. Slicks vs. street tires wins every time.

With a 2-step rev limiter, and/or anti-lag setup (which comes standard with the standalone ecu that most 1000hp+ Mkiv Supras are running) there should be no significant off-the-line difference between an n/a viper and an Mkiv Turbo.

Are you 100% sure that 'race' was legit? Do you have a vid you can post? Was it a full 1/4 mile race?

Btw, what's your friend's name? Are pics of his Supra posted online anywhere? It sounds awesome...

JPDsupra · 05-13-2007, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by pwpanas

Also could be the tires. Slicks vs. street tires wins every time.

With a 2-step rev limiter, and/or anti-lag setup (which comes standard with the standalone ecu that most 1000hp+ Mkiv Supras are running) there should be no significant off-the-line difference between an n/a viper and an Mkiv Turbo.

Are you 100% sure that 'race' was legit? Do you have a vid you can post? Was it a full 1/4 mile race?

Btw, what's your friend's name? Are pics of his Supra posted online anywhere? It sounds awesome...

Both had slicks and the race was legit. I didnt bring a camcorder with me czuse my freind told me we were goin somewhere and i didnt mind to bring a camcorder. It was a full 1/4 mile race and my friend was catching up at the end but it was too late

pwpanas · 05-14-2007, 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by JPDsupra

Both had slicks and the race was legit. I didnt bring a camcorder with me czuse my freind told me we were goin somewhere and i didnt mind to bring a camcorder. It was a full 1/4 mile race and my friend was catching up at the end but it was too late

Is the 1000hp Supra TT auto or 6spd? How about the Viper?

JPDsupra · 05-16-2007, 08:22 PM

The supra was manual and so was the viper

pwpanas · 05-17-2007, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by JPDsupra

The supra was manual and so was the viper

Do you know if it was "1000hp" or 1000rwhp? Either way, the result shouldn't have happend as it did. Either that Supra wasn't set up well/optimally for drag racing (i.e. one or more of the following: suspension, tuning, 2-step rev limiter, nos, tire pressure, etc.) ... or the Supra driver isn't worth his/her salt. *shrug* When it comes to race day you're either 100%+++ ready or you've already lost. On paper, the Supra should have won, but that's why there are real-life races, with real cars and real human beings driving - because paper doesn't tell the whole story. Fwiw, I hope they get a rematch someday...and that the vid gets posted so we can all enjoy it!

IHateHacks · 05-17-2007, 02:06 AM

What about weight? You can have 1000hp in a freaking 50 ton tank, you aint gonna go too fast.

I haven't researched it but I'd put my money on the viper weighing alot less than a mk4 supra, but hey I may be wrong. And unless you have dyno sheets to prove this said Mk4 has 1000hp and this said viper has 700hp then you really don't know who has the power advantage.

pwpanas · 05-17-2007, 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by IHateHacks

What about weight? You can have 1000hp in a freaking 50 ton tank, you aint gonna go too fast...

True, but tanks were never mentioned in this thread...till now.

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Originally Posted by IHateHacks

I haven't researched it...

Clearly.

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Originally Posted by IHateHacks

...but I'd put my money on the viper weighing alot less than a mk4 supra, but hey I may be wrong...

Yep, and you'd loose your $ too:

MK4 Supra: "Curb Weights (lbs.) ... 6M 3415"
Viper SRT-10 Coupe (for example): "Curb Weight MT 3410"

I sure wouldn't call the difference of a couple of extra cheeseburgers over lunchtime "a lot less".

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Originally Posted by IHateHacks

...And unless you have dyno sheets to prove this said Mk4 has 1000hp and this said viper has 700hp then you really don't know who has the power advantage.

Of course that's true, but the person that started the thread claimed to know the true horsepower levels of these two vehicles. Sure we could say he's an idiot or a liar or gullible or all three, but this is a car list. The discussion only gets interesting if we take his facts at face value, and discuss the situation from there...

Btw, 'I hate hacks' too, especially hacks that post opinions without researching them...

j/k lol

Supra2NR · 05-20-2007, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Btw, 'I hate hacks' too, especially hacks that post opinions without researching them...

j/k lol

now,now play nice boys
lets see, maybe he can post a dyno sheet of hid friend's car

what i dont get with his story is his friend said they are going somewhere else,
posibly nothing to do with racing so a camera is unnecessary
but does his friend drive around town with slicks on his car?
cuz he said they both had slicks when they raced

05-06-2007, 02:29 PM	#1
JPDsupra 3" Exhaust Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: New Jersey Posts: 65	N/A or Turbo? Last weekend my friend raced a guy with a 700hp viper which was N/A and my friend has a supra mkIV wit 1000hp twin turbo, the strange thing is that the viper beat him even though the supra had a weight and power advantage. At first i thought reaction time but m friend launched off the line the same millisecond the viper did. I remember a guy telling me that N/A is usually faster than turbo beause of lag and something to do with power build up. what do you think?

05-06-2007, 07:07 PM	#2
Supra2NR 1000whp postwhore Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Chi-Town Posts: 1,643	When ur friend said he has 1000hp What dyno did they use? I have seen a 9 sec car win over a 8 second car So an na with 700hp beating a 1000hp turbo Isn't really a surprise Driving error could happen all the time Even if they had the same reaction time Did the supra hook? What was the 0-60ft times? Maybe the viper's driver all in all better than ur friend Plus, 1000hp@??? Rpm? What's the setup that he's using But that's sad tho 1000hp but useless against a 700 __________________ http://www.myspace.com/supra_2nr Into Bikes now,, apparently the supra couldnt kill me, so my zx6 might lol

05-07-2007, 05:08 AM	#3
pwpanas Supra Owner Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: GA, USA Posts: 2,209	Also could be the tires. Slicks vs. street tires wins every time. With a 2-step rev limiter, and/or anti-lag setup (which comes standard with the standalone ecu that most 1000hp+ Mkiv Supras are running) there should be no significant off-the-line difference between an n/a viper and an Mkiv Turbo. Are you 100% sure that 'race' was legit? Do you have a vid you can post? Was it a full 1/4 mile race? Btw, what's your friend's name? Are pics of his Supra posted online anywhere? It sounds awesome... __________________ Phil '94 Supra Turbo, 6spd, 'APU'+ Displacement is no replacement for boost. Life begins at 30psi. NB: Please consider posting any help requests in a new thread instead of asking me for help privately. About 99.9+% of the time, private help requests end up covering great information that could be very valuable to other forum members. If you have a good reason for needing the help request to be private, I'll consider it. If not, then why not give everyone else the opportunity to pitch in too, and/or learn from the information? Remember, there's no such thing as a dumb question. We're all here to help within this family of Supra owners. Last edited by pwpanas; 05-07-2007 at 05:13 AM.

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05-16-2007, 08:22 PM	#6
JPDsupra 3" Exhaust Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: New Jersey Posts: 65	The supra was manual and so was the viper

05-17-2007, 02:06 AM	#8
IHateHacks 20psi boost Join Date: May 2006 Location: New Haven/Hamden Posts: 793	What about weight? You can have 1000hp in a freaking 50 ton tank, you aint gonna go too fast. I haven't researched it but I'd put my money on the viper weighing alot less than a mk4 supra, but hey I may be wrong. And unless you have dyno sheets to prove this said Mk4 has 1000hp and this said viper has 700hp then you really don't know who has the power advantage.